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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Geno, Glad to see that you are making some progress. Don't worry as some projects just take a while to finish. We of coarse are all looking forward to seeing it back in the water all freshened up! Glad to here that you have the problem carb handled.
I may have forgotten but did you ever check out the condition of the stringers? I know "the phantomkaw" ran into a real mess with his. The pictures he posted early on also showed a unusual layout. It seemed the stringers went side to side instead of bow to stern like a "normal" CC. I've never dug into one so I'm curious. I hope the stringers are OK before you go after the deck and hull. |
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Geno
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My stepdad replaced the stringers, foam and deck three years ago with the help of his neighbor that rebuilds boats. I'm awfully glad too - not a job I would want to do.
I'll have to ask him how the ran because he didn't mention they were 90 degrees out of whack, he did mention that they were bad rotten and had been soaked for a long time. |
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TRBenj
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Cool update. Is the new carb a marine unit? It doesnt look like the old one was.
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Geno
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Thew new carb is a Holley 4160 marine application. The old one was a holley 600cfm and not a marine carb - it will probably get refurbed and used in my truck engine rebuild.
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Thephantomkaw
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I finally replaced the stringers and put a new floor in the torino... (I know, havent taken any pics yet!!) It was a little bigger job than i thought.. Loved every min of it though...
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~Michael~
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Geno
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Actually got to work on the boat and trailer some this weekend.
Hung the old boat early saturday morning and started on the trailer. Got her torn all the way down about lunch and media blasted maybe half of it before I had to prime what I'd done and go to our son's football banquet. Got to work yesterday morning around 5:00 am and really did some good. Finished media blasting the trailer and got it primed. Would have been sprayed yesterday but something came up with my bodyman. Hopefully it will be sprayed today. Sanded a lot on the hull and it's coming along nicely except the bottom paint. That stuf is thermonuclear protected - a da with 100 grit is going so slow I'm getting a little discouraged. Oh well, maybe I'll go to 80 grit and get some damage done to that gross brush stroke laden blue stuff. Sandblasting (a horrible job - that stuff gets EVERYWHERE and irritates my skin to no end) more sandblasting Pete I talked to my body man and the stringers are sideways. He didn't take any pics but he said yeah they were running the wrong way so he just put new glassed in ones right back in the same place. |
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Geno
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The trailer is being sprayed today - Centauri Black. I have lights, wiring, several dozen black wire clips, a new jack, a new winch and some slight mods (upright bunkers that will bolt to the fender mounts and guide the boat perfectly into place) to install and it will be done.
I'm going with 2" x 6" boards for the bunkers instead of the 2' x 4" lumber that was original and probably gray carpet instead of the blue original. The orig bunkers were in very good shape for such an old trailer but the hardware was rusted so bad I just beat them off with a hammer. The original bunkers had an angle cut into them so they were angled down toward the centerline and my bodyman/neaighbor/rebuild-cohort seems to think I should set up the table saw and put angles on the new onew. I don't think it matters. Any ideas about that? |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Geno, I have replaced the bunks on two of my trailers as well as my lift. I used 2x4's and resawed the angle in them on my band saw. I then took it a step farther and routed the top edges with a 1/2" radius bit. It makes it easy to put the carpet on plus you will not have the sharp corner.
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JoeinNY
Grand Poobah Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5693 |
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Geno the trailer is looking good but that is no way to sand blast, hopefully you weren't actually using sand that stuff is very bad to breathe.
In the interest of those who may want to tackle this project in the future A face shield and a replaceable cartridge respirator are minimum requirements. I usually wear a tyvek suit taped to my gloves at the wrist as well and even with that level of gear I would never use sand. I would try to match the angle of the hull as close as possible with the trailer bunks the more distributed the load the better. |
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Geno
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I was using something called blackblast. Supposedly some sort of finely ground volcanic media similar to glass. It was an awful job to perform and if I do it again I will wear a bit more protective gear. I'm still digging sand out of my ears and blowing it out of my nose lol. |
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JoeinNY
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Blackblast, black beauty, and other sl*g based products are less dangerous than the sand, basically just a mechanical irritant so once your done coughing it out you should be good. I have a love hate relationship with media blasting, I love the results hate the process I have a cabinet for the little parts and that can even be enjoyable in small quanties but I have never had the guts to tackle a whole trailer. I do have a setup to do it and a few trailers that could use it so if anyone wants to stop by and practice thier technique feel free...
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JoeinNY
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why the heck is sl*g filtered out?
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Geno
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Because you might write f a g
Thanks for the info - I've never done it before and had no idea how. My bodyman gave me the blaster, said "don't drop the tip - it's ceramic, just mess around with it and you'll figure out how to use it, don't take it down to bare metal where there's no rust and the paint's bonded good, just go to the factory primer". That was the extent of my training for the media blasting portion of this project. I actually did it for a while with no safety glasses. I also put my hand in front of the nozzle once when it seemed to not be grinding very well - I strongly advize against doing that and will NEVER do that again. |
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Hollywood
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You will also wear through the carpet extremely fast without that angled bunk/hull match. What is with the keel roller all the way back there? Looks like another ingenious add-on... |
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Geno
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Thanks for the bunk help guys. I'm sure that roller is an add on - it was on the trailer and not new at all. Should I take it off? |
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Hollywood
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Absolutely no need for it, I only see it causing loading problems unless you are on a deep/steep ramp where it doesn't even touch the hull.
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79nautique
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the roller would be better use if it was forward on the first cross member. That way it raises the bow and helps center the boat on steep ramps. Being on the rear like it is prevents you from adding/using tracking fins, not that you need them on a deep-V design. But since it is a Deep-V and no tracking fins I would leave it alone and maybe even add a couple more towards the front. just check the rear one and make sure you have plenty of clearance for the running gear.
Kevin stick to those dumb ass bear comments pal. |
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Hollywood
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Considering CC never put a keel roller on a trailer, don't see why now all of a sudden it's needed. Also don't see why you want to add the side guide bunks instead of reinstalling the guide posts.
There are no tracking fins on the Separator Chris. Stick to those dump ass Madd comments. |
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79nautique
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guess you missed the next few words that said "not that you need them on a deep-V design" keep trying Kev. |
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Gary S
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Joe be careful with a cabinet,you should use a respirator with them also.I have a TIP cabinet with their vac system which has 3 filters on it,and I still have dust.
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Geno
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A pic of the trailer with several coats of centauri black - more coats to follow
A pic of the boat with some oven cleaner bottom paint removal going on - bottom paint is the worst stuff in the world to get off |
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Thephantomkaw
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My Torino is a 1970, So I wouldnt think that Yours is a 1970, unless they made a separator and a torino in the same year? |
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~Michael~
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Geno
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You would have to ask an expert about that.
Made some bunks today, couldn't figure out how to use the band saw and couldn't find the tablesaw so I made the rip cuts with my old skilsaw. She didn't like that at all - nearly toasted it twice. My high tech cutting station - I eventually stacked the two pallets together once my back started hurting - it was a great improvement but I forgot to take a pic. Had a ratchet strap explode while I was trying to pull the bend in the last couple feet of the bunks and send parts shooting around the shop, luckily they didn't hurt anyone or damage anything. This is my new and improved (and less dangerous) method of bending bunks. Took a lot more of the bottom paint off, installed a new jack and a bolted a new winch on the nose stop thingy. Rather productive half day if you ask me. |
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jbear
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Man am I jealous of your shop.
'Course you are doin' a great job on the trailer too. Just keep them pictures coming! john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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Geno
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Clean black trailer with nifty dump truck tail lights that I had on hand
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BuffaloBFN
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Geno, what are you going to do with the bobcat?
Greg |
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81nautique
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Hey Geno, Trailers looking good. I'm almost done with a similar trailer project. As for the 2x4 bunks, it's the first time I've ever gone to the lumber yard and lseached through the rack looking for the boards with the most hook. Found 2 that will make the job easier.
Only suggetsion I have for you is to check the bolts and bushings on the shackles and hangers. Looks like your axle has been replaced so they may be fine but on my 26 year old trailer the bushings were shot and the bolt was worn 1/3 through. |
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You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails
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Geno
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Thanks, it's actually my stepdad's shop but it is really nice. No small, fine work type tools but every type of big tool you could imagine. |
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Geno
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I will have to check thet - thanks, I wouldnot have thought to look and now is the right time to do so. |
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Geno
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Uh.............move dirt, spread gravel and minor grading? Is this a trick question? |
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