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Newbie question does anyone have a wiring diagram and installation instructions for the PCM Ford electronic distributor retro kit
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KENO
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Look at this old thread
It may help, it may confuse you more You can also look at the Discount Inboard Marine website and check out item #41015 which is the conversion kit they sell and there is a wiring diagram better than their hand drawn one in the link above. This all assumes you now have a Mallory electronic distributor like the one in their kit If not, it would be good to know what you have for a distributor and if you have the whole kit |
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Having trouble getting the distributor in
Nautiqueparts Engine Parts > Electrical Parts > Electronic Conversion Kits > Electronic conversion kit for PCM FORD Left Hand Rotation Pro-Tec Motors, PCM # RK107025A ELECTRONIC CONVERSION KIT FOR PCM FORD LEFT HAND ROTATION PRO-TEC MOTORS, PCM # RK107025A |
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KENO
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Read this old thread about which direction your engine might or might not rotate
old thread it'll probably confuse you but you have a distributor for a LH rotation engine going by what you posted from White Lake Marine and your engine might be RH rotation as you can see from the link above The best thing you can do is see if your new distributor gear and old one match or if the teeth are cut in opposite directions. LH teeth look like /////// RH teeth are the opposite \\\\\\ If they're different, you'll need a distributor gear for a RH engine, if they're the same it looks like you're just having trouble getting the gears to mesh |
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Duane in Indy
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Like KENO said, sounds like you need the one on the right |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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Thanks all, looks like you were right, wrong direction distributor. Guess I have to get this one....right?
Electronic distributor kit for REVERSE Rotation (Right Hand) Motors. PCM# RK107026A |
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The distributor is the same. All that's needed is the gear and then a R&R on the gear. |
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Here is the picture before I took the Protec out, can it be confirm the rotation from here?
Also, does someone have a diagram of which plugs go into the distributor from what cylinders? FYI, my motor was not starting at all |
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8122pbrainard
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From the other current thread with the same issue:
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That would be the right one and you wouldn't have to worry about doing gear swaps that can sometimes be not terribly straightforward |
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Just by looking at your old gear, you can confirm it is a reverse rotation engine.
So, yes your engine is reverse rotation. Do a search here on CCF about distributor installation, do a lot of reading and you'll probably understand how to install it and get the firing order right. But after the reading, if you have questions, ask away and you'll get help here |
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So just sliding the distributor in by rotating the gears on the oil pump/distributor? Once I get the right kit lol
Saw this thread but am looking for a diagram of the distributor cap top with what plugs go to each cylinder. DUI Distributor Issue My other questions (wish I had a picture but don't have access to my boat) but there are (2) yellow/red wires which I assume is going to the neutral safety switch, one is going to the 50 amp break and the other I had to cut off of the old Protec harness. Where do I need to connect this up to? There was also a light blue wire connected to the old Protec harness that unplugged from the harness. PCM Owner Engine Manual |
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Depending on how well versed you are with engine electrics, think about the basics. Here's Tim's wiring diagram that should help: |
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Duane in Indy
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Get some one that knows how to install it to help you. Will need timing light also. Easy once you have done it a few times but very frustrating if you have not. Firing order looking down on dist. cap. CCW rotation 1 8 4 5 6 2 7 3 |
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ProTec Ignition Swap
There is no wiring diagram for your spark plug wires. The rotor points at the post of the cylinder on the compression stroke and you follow the wires along with the order. You should be able to definitively trace those wires to the NSS (by the color you sound correct) and then use the typical 70s/80s wiring diagram TRBenj drew up. Why are you getting a new carburetor? |
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So confirmation that this is a right hand rotation and I need the following parts (fyi took out the starter and it was filled of gunk/water)?
I have to return the wrong rotation ones to Nautique. http://www.nautiqueparts.com/electronicconversionkitforpro-tecmotors-1.aspx http://www.nautiqueparts.com/starterkitrhreverserotation-permanentmagnetforoldercorrectcraftboatspriorto1989.aspx |
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Thanks all, so when I get the distributor in, plug wires go to it like in the picture below
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Hollywood
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What does your engine tag say? It should have a model number listed.
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In the engine compartment above, where is it located?
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It should be bolted to the intake manifold. I'm not a v-drive protec expert. TRBenj, Air206 or velde99 would know for sure.
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Any other way to tell? I would assume that the distributor teeth tell the tale?
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Looks like I am missing this tag but the manifold reads this.
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Chris,
Several have mentioned getting help. Being honest here, it's starting to sound like having someone with a better understanding of engine ignition systems would be great. Do you have any friends that could come over and help out? We certainly will continue with any information we can give. |
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The wiring diagram for your engine is on page 51 of the manual. In order to remove the Pro-tec you should have only needed to disconnect the trigger plug and the EMS connection. The neutral safety switch is wired to the wire harness plug but does not go to either of the Pro-tec parts. I would print out the wiring diagram and then use it to verify what wires you are cutting/disconnecting. It's pretty easy to follow. We can also use the same terminology from the diagram to walk you through it. |
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The teeth on your old shaft tell everything you need to know. It's reverse rotation You bought the correct starter and the wrong distributor. You have a Reverse rotation engine, you bought a reverse rotation starter.if it's what your link shows...............KEEP IT, it's the right one. If that's not what you bought and you are going to buy that one, then yes buy the one in the link since it's for a reverse rotation engine You bought a normal rotation distributor.................exchange it for the reverse rotation version you mentioned earlier. |
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I'm tending to agree with Pete on getting some help BUT make sure it's someone who understands that a 351 like the one in your boat can and does rotate backwards from a normal 351 in an automotive application. The little diagram you have is good for cylinder locations and firing order, but you need to have #1 at Top Dead Center on the compression stroke and the rotor can be pointed at any tower on the cap. That tower is where #1 is,(you can aim it wherever you want) That's the hard part to understand and try to explain to someone. Then you work counterclockwise around the cap following the reverse rotation firing order. And you'll need a timing light because the initial installation will get you close enough to run it and then use the light to set the timing right. It's harder to try to explain it, than to actually do it like Duane in Indy mentioned previously |
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So is the gear on the left on a distributor you purchased and the gear on the right out of your protec? The link above says RH but the picture of the distributor has a LH gear on it. I'm assuming they do have a RH gear distributor like the product info says. The fun never ends! |
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Hollywood, go to post #3 in this thread and you'll see the web address for the distributor he bought. Not a link there but the web address is right there. |
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So that's what is pictured on the left I assume. The URL says LH. Like you said, the RH item he found should have a RH gear on it (despite the picture) and will drop right in. I think we confirmed a while back all the engines in the v-drive Barefoot & Excels were RH.
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Not that it shouldn't eliminate your problem but it sounds like you are just shotgunning parts. Was your engine cranking over? Although, I guess it doesn't really matter at this point. |
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