PCM Ford electronic distributor installation instr
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Topic: PCM Ford electronic distributor installation instr
Posted By: Cheiz
Subject: PCM Ford electronic distributor installation instr
Date Posted: October-29-2016 at 7:39pm
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Newbie question does anyone have a wiring diagram and installation instructions for the PCM Ford electronic distributor retro kit ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-29-2016 at 8:47pm
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Look at this http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11544" rel="nofollow - old thread It may help, it may confuse you more  You can also look at the Discount Inboard Marine website and check out item #41015 which is the conversion kit they sell and there is a wiring diagram better than their hand drawn one in the link above. This all assumes you now have a Mallory electronic distributor like the one in their kit If not, it would be good to know what you have for a distributor and if you have the whole kit |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-29-2016 at 11:31pm
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Having trouble getting the distributor in Nautiqueparts Engine Parts > Electrical Parts > Electronic Conversion Kits > Electronic conversion kit for PCM FORD Left Hand Rotation Pro-Tec Motors, PCM # RK107025A ELECTRONIC CONVERSION KIT FOR PCM FORD LEFT HAND ROTATION PRO-TEC MOTORS, PCM # RK107025A ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-30-2016 at 2:23am
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Read this old thread about which direction your engine might or might not rotate http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33303&title=91-excel-reverse-rotation-engine" rel="nofollow - old thread it'll probably confuse you but you have a distributor for a LH rotation engine going by what you posted from White Lake Marine and your engine might be RH rotation as you can see from the link above The best thing you can do is see if your new distributor gear and old one match or if the teeth are cut in opposite directions. LH teeth look like /////// RH teeth are the opposite \\\\\\ If they're different, you'll need a distributor gear for a RH engine, if they're the same it looks like you're just having trouble getting the gears to mesh |
Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: October-30-2016 at 7:37am
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Like KENO said, sounds like you need the one on the right  ------------- Keep it as original as YOU want it 1978 Mustang (modified) |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 10:15am
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Thanks all, looks like you were right, wrong direction distributor. Guess I have to get this one....right? http://www.nautiqueparts.com/electronicconversionkitforpro-tecmotors-1.aspx" rel="nofollow - Electronic distributor kit for REVERSE Rotation (Right Hand) Motors. PCM# RK107026A  ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 10:22am
The distributor is the same. All that's needed is the gear and then a R&R on the gear. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Cheiz wrote:Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 10:24am
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Here is the picture before I took the Protec out, can it be confirm the rotation from here? Also, does someone have a diagram of which plugs go into the distributor from what cylinders? FYI, my motor was not starting at all  ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 10:25am
From the other current thread with the same issue:
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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 10:29am
That would be the right one and you wouldn't have to worry about doing gear swaps that can sometimes be not terribly straightforward |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 10:33am
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Just by looking at your old gear, you can confirm it is a reverse rotation engine. So, yes your engine is reverse rotation. Do a search here on CCF about distributor installation, do a lot of reading and you'll probably understand how to install it and get the firing order right. But after the reading, if you have questions, ask away and you'll get help here
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Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 11:18am
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So just sliding the distributor in by rotating the gears on the oil pump/distributor? Once I get the right kit lol Saw this thread but am looking for a diagram of the distributor cap top with what plugs go to each cylinder. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39645&KW=distributor+installation&title=dui-distributor-issue" rel="nofollow - DUI Distributor Issue My other questions (wish I had a picture but don't have access to my boat) but there are (2) yellow/red wires which I assume is going to the neutral safety switch, one is going to the 50 amp break and the other I had to cut off of the old Protec harness. Where do I need to connect this up to? There was also a light blue wire connected to the old Protec harness that unplugged from the harness. http://www.planetnautique.com/CorrectCraftManuals/1993/93PCM.pdf" rel="nofollow - PCM Owner Engine Manual ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 11:36am
Depending on how well versed you are with engine electrics, think about the basics. Here's Tim's wiring diagram that should help: http://s133.photobucket.com/user/brainard_bucket_bucket/media/enginewiring84.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 11:36am
Get some one that knows how to install it to help you. Will need timing light also. Easy once you have done it a few times but very frustrating if you have not. Firing order looking down on dist. cap. CCW rotation 1 8 4 5 6 2 7 3 ------------- Keep it as original as YOU want it 1978 Mustang (modified) |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 11:37am
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34338&title=protec-ignition-swap" rel="nofollow - ProTec Ignition Swap There is no wiring diagram for your spark plug wires. The rotor points at the post of the cylinder on the compression stroke and you follow the wires along with the order. You should be able to definitively trace those wires to the NSS (by the color you sound correct) and then use the typical 70s/80s wiring diagram TRBenj drew up. Why are you getting a new carburetor? |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 1:20pm
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So confirmation that this is a right hand rotation and I need the following parts (fyi took out the starter and it was filled of gunk/water)? I have to return the wrong rotation ones to Nautique. %20" rel="nofollow - http://www.nautiqueparts.com/electronicconversionkitforpro-tecmotors-1.aspx %20" rel="nofollow - http://www.nautiqueparts.com/starterkitrhreverserotation-permanentmagnetforoldercorrectcraftboatspriorto1989.aspx ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 1:26pm
Thanks all, so when I get the distributor in, plug wires go to it like in the picture below ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 1:32pm
What does your engine tag say? It should have a model number listed.
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Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 1:49pm
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In the engine compartment above, where is it located? ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 1:59pm
| It should be bolted to the intake manifold. I'm not a v-drive protec expert. TRBenj, Air206 or velde99 would know for sure. |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 2:14pm
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Any other way to tell? I would assume that the distributor teeth tell the tale? ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 2:50pm
Looks like I am missing this tag but the manifold reads this. ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 2:50pm
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Chris, Several have mentioned getting help. Being honest here, it's starting to sound like having someone with a better understanding of engine ignition systems would be great. Do you have any friends that could come over and help out? We certainly will continue with any information we can give. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:04pm
The wiring diagram for your engine is on page 51 of the manual. In order to remove the Pro-tec you should have only needed to disconnect the trigger plug and the EMS connection. The neutral safety switch is wired to the wire harness plug but does not go to either of the Pro-tec parts. I would print out the wiring diagram and then use it to verify what wires you are cutting/disconnecting. It's pretty easy to follow. We can also use the same terminology from the diagram to walk you through it. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:15pm
The teeth on your old shaft tell everything you need to know. It's reverse rotation You bought the correct starter and the wrong distributor. You have a Reverse rotation engine, you bought a reverse rotation starter.if it's what your link shows...............KEEP IT, it's the right one. If that's not what you bought and you are going to buy that one, then yes buy the one in the link since it's for a reverse rotation engine You bought a normal rotation distributor.................exchange it for the reverse rotation version you mentioned earlier. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:37pm
I'm tending to agree with Pete on getting some help BUT make sure it's someone who understands that a 351 like the one in your boat can and does rotate backwards from a normal 351 in an automotive application. The little diagram you have is good for cylinder locations and firing order, but you need to have #1 at Top Dead Center on the compression stroke and the rotor can be pointed at any tower on the cap. That tower is where #1 is,(you can aim it wherever you want) That's the hard part to understand and try to explain to someone. Then you work counterclockwise around the cap following the reverse rotation firing order. And you'll need a timing light because the initial installation will get you close enough to run it and then use the light to set the timing right. It's harder to try to explain it, than to actually do it like Duane in Indy mentioned previously |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:38pm
So is the gear on the left on a distributor you purchased and the gear on the right out of your protec? The link above says RH but the picture of the distributor has a LH gear on it. I'm assuming they do have a RH gear distributor like the product info says. The fun never ends! |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:41pm
Hollywood, go to post #3 in this thread and you'll see the web address for the distributor he bought. Not a link there but the web address is right there. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:47pm
| So that's what is pictured on the left I assume. The URL says LH. Like you said, the RH item he found should have a RH gear on it (despite the picture) and will drop right in. I think we confirmed a while back all the engines in the v-drive Barefoot & Excels were RH. |
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:52pm
Not that it shouldn't eliminate your problem but it sounds like you are just shotgunning parts. Was your engine cranking over? Although, I guess it doesn't really matter at this point. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:54pm
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sounds good to me WLM wording right and picture wrong
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Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:57pm
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Right hand rotation it is: I need this starter than %20" rel="nofollow - http://www.nautiqueparts.com/starterkitrhreverserotation-permanentmagnetforoldercorrectcraftboatspriorto1989.aspx ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 3:59pm
YES |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 4:24pm
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Cheiz Check your private message inbox, I sent you something KenO |
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: October-31-2016 at 5:02pm
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Per the following you need a CCW starter: http://www.arcomarine.com/xhtml/Pages%2028-30%20TechTips%20TellYou,%20StarterRotation,DriveGears.pdf" rel="nofollow - ARCO tech tips Starter PN 70201 is a CCW starter: http://www.arcomarine.com/xhtml/Pages%2031-38%20InBoard%20Starters.pdf" rel="nofollow - ARCO Starters The starter on the NP website is an ARCO 70201 and is the correct starter. |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: November-06-2016 at 5:11pm
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Anyone have pictures of the coil/resistor location mounts from the electronic ignition kit as well as the bracket that goes towards the back where the 50 amp breaker is? Thanks ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-07-2016 at 11:18am
 Lots of pictures here already, try a google search "coil mount site:correctcraftfan.com/forum" |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-07-2016 at 2:38pm
That's way too much typing for us old simple minded guys that don't particularly like typing to begin with Hollywood correctcraftfan coil mount in a Google search gets the same results without quotes or slashes or any of that stuff.
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Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: November-14-2016 at 11:56am
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Thanks all for the help and guidance. I got the boat turned over and winterized it (boo!). Attached are the actual instructions for the kit from PCM for future reference. However, I did run into a wire that I need to connect up. It is near the Vdrive area and the light blue wire goes towards the interior dash and I am trying to find out where this red wire goes to, any thoughts?    Where does the red wire go from this picture?  ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: November-14-2016 at 3:05pm
| That is the neutral safety switch. One wire goes to the key switch and one goes to the starter relay. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-14-2016 at 3:42pm
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Chris, I don't feel that's your NSS. The NSS would be on the trans and not the Walters V drive. Someone will be along who knows more about the Walters but I'd say it's the pressure sender for the Walters. The light blue up to the dash would be to the warning light and the red would be the "hot" + to the switch. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-15-2016 at 8:56am
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I get dizzy looking at the picture, but like Pete said, low oil pressure warning light on the dash gets fed from that switch if I'm looking at the picture right Here's a link to the v drive manual https://www.bakesonline.com/images/MediaLibrary/TransmissionManual_WalterRV10-50.pdf" rel="nofollow - Walters v drive manual Unfortunately the page with the wiring diagram doesn't seem to be there |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: November-18-2016 at 1:00pm
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Thanks Walters V Drive Page 16 Assume that the light blue to the dash and red to ground?  ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: November-18-2016 at 3:41pm
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Good job, where'd you find page 16? Red to ground doesn't seem to pass the "sanity check" though. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-19-2016 at 12:00am
Chris, Check to see if the indicator light is wired to ground or +. Just because you found a wiring diagram in the Walter manual, doesn't mean the light was wired that way by CC. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GMacLaren
Date Posted: November-19-2016 at 5:04pm
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Seems this thread has strayed a bit from its subject. If still looking for dizzy info, it's possible this might contain some useful info: http://www.grantmaclaren.com/72skier/engine4/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.grantmaclaren.com/72skier/engine4/index.html -=Grant=- ------------- -=Grant MacLaren=- Retired Expert http://www.grantmaclaren.com/72skier" rel="nofollow - http://www.grantmaclaren.com/72skier |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-19-2016 at 5:53pm
Grant, Please review the complete thread. Thanks. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Cheiz
Date Posted: November-21-2016 at 9:31am
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Thanks all. I'll do a check this holiday to determine the mystery wires lol. Page 16 comes directly from Warner, I contacted them and they shot it over to me. ------------- 93 CC Nautique Excel CB 351 GT40 |