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    Posted: January-12-2007 at 1:25pm
We've had some discussion recently regarding how original to keep these old boats. We've got some purists who have done an amazing job of restoring to original. Others keep the cosmetics stock but have no problem tweaking the engines, or changing the color of the interior. Still others want it original, but have no problem adding some modern conveniences like cupholders, or a powerful stereo.

I think I take a middle of the road approach. The analogy I use is cars. It drives me nuts to see someone take a perfectly restored Model A and cut it up for a Hot Rod. However, I have no problem with an old wreck whether it is turned into a hot rod or restored to its original glory.

With the boats, I hate to see a tower added to something like a 63 Cla$$ic. It was one of the first fibergla$$ CCs, and there just aren't that many around. However, I don't have much problem with guys that tweak the 82-89 Nautiques. There's lots of them out there, some original, some not.

Just curious what view some of the rest of you take? BKH
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Behl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-12-2007 at 1:34pm
It's like you say "depends what you start whith". Mine had already been redone from original; therefor, I had no problem making the upgrades and none stock look.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote skicat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-12-2007 at 1:40pm
I have been going through the same discussion (with myself) over how to redo my skier. I started from not much (BKH's wreck) and am redoing it completely. I have decided to go back as close to original as I can since most of the original hardware, etc was there. I think if you are going to use the boat a lot, it is hard not to add some modern conviences to it. Mine is one of four for me & will not be an everyday user, so if I want the extras I can take out one of the other ones. Some of those modernized look cool though!
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I agree with the first 2 statements. If you have a chance to keep it original, do it. There are plenty other hacked out boats/cars to play with. Granted, this really only applies to older boats. On the flip side, as long as you do a good quality job, I'm all for it. Cosmetics can usually be reversed.

"New" to me still goes back 10+ years.
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Brian, I'm one of the purest's you refered to but you have brought up some excelent points. The older the boat is, the more to "factory original" I like to see them. Internal mods to the newer V8's aren't a problem with me as long as they aren't so drastic that it alters the say idling as a example. The turning point for me would be about 1985 when the latest styles of hulls came out. Of coarse this brings up the problem of what is the purest going to think about these not original boats 20 years from now?   


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Great topic, Brian. I like keeping everything as original as possible. I was bummed when I couldn't find the original rubber that goes on the guide posts. I went with a aftermarket tube that looks like a dryer vent hose. Other than that, I'm 100% original.

Everyone has their own style, but I'm not a big fan of new graphics on a cla$$ic CC boat. I prefer the extended pylons versus bolting on a tower. IMO, if I'm paying for a new interior, that shop is going to 100% duplicate the same material, style and colors. I have no issues with "tweaking" the performance, such as engine and prop. I do like the old school Ski Nautique font graphics on the 06's and 07's.

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I would love to run out and buy an 2007 SN 196. I chose my boat because I need a tournament quality tow but could not afford the new boats. This spring I'll be sporting Perfect Pa$$ Digital Pro and an ACME 540 prop. Two things that are essential to a solid pa$$ through the bouys. I have replaced the dash pod with that of a 2003 model and installed Faria guages. The throttle lever is the new style as well. I have gone to great lenghts to ensure that these modifications don't look like modifications.

There may be some more changes coming when the floor is finished. Don't want to put my head out on the chopping block.

Bottom line, I don't follow the purist view of keeping it origional when I can make improvements whether performance or ergomomic that don't make the boat look like Frankenstien.

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To me it depends on where you spend the most time with the boat.....

-if you enjoy spending time showing it off at the ramp while it sits on a trailor or idling around the lake then by all means keep it original.

-if you prefer the veiw from the 'end of the rope' then take advantage of modern upgrades to improve your riding.

It's a personal choice for everyone, just remember neither is wrong or right. It's about having fun.
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I'd say I'm middle of the road, with maybe a lean toward the purist side. Like with my '78 I got rid of the bolted on lexan piece which the speedometers were attached to, faired out the dash and used a hole saw to cut a couple holes to put the speedos back in. And with my interior I looked at a few different patterns, colors & all that, & i could not bring myself to using the yellow interior again so i went with an early 90's design. To me as long as it's done right I don't have a problem with most things, Graphics can be interchanged within a couple years of the actual boat but I'm not a big fan of people putting 'Air' graphics on a "70's Ski' just doesn't look right. I don't know, it's a matter of personal opinion but as long as it's tastefully done then i don't have any qualms with modifications, as long as it doesn't take away from the cla$$ic lines & styling of the boat (Like your example BKH of a '63 cla$$ic with a tower).
Whew! that was long... Sorry guys, haha

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Good points all. I guess what it comes down to is what makes you more comfortable. Obviously, the more original you keep a cla$$ic the more it will be worth in the future if you plan on selling it. If you plan to keep it until the good Lord calls your number and you want to make upgrades to it. Go for it. Personally, I equate this to cla$$ic muscle cars. The purists say don't touch a '71 hemi 'Cuda convertible. That particular car a purist is going to have sit in a controlled environment and never even start the thing. What fun is that???? But you can say that you have one sitting in your garage. Whoopee!!!! I want a driver and if that means I want to put some new technology after market add-ons that make the machine more reliable, more enjoyable and more importantly, safer for me and my pa$$engers, I'm going to do it. Now if it does all this and still makes it faster and gives you a significanty better hole-shot that's even better.

There was another post in here about fire extinquishers. You purists shouldn't even think about having one physically attached to the boat if you really want to be a purist. I certainly don't like the idea of carrying a fire extinquisher as part of your boating paraphernalia whenever you decide to make a day of it. That's just me. I'll find someplace to put a fire extinquisher to keep my me and my pa$$engers safe. Just as I'll put in electronic ignition, HP upgrades, a kick a$$ stereo and anything else that I deem as essential to a fun and safe boating experience.

If you want a purist machine, than keep it purist. If you want a driver than do that. Just don't chastise me about my driver.
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I'm waiting for somebody to pitch a curve ball as there's too much agreement here, and I'm with you most of you guys completely, as I'm walking the liberal purist line. I do have a younger buddy however, (name withheld, but a member with a 70 Mustang) who wants to create a restomod. If I've got a late 70s Tique that was in need of a total restoration, I thought it might be acceptable to allow this boat, of which there are many hulls out there, to receive "cosmetic" upgrades in terms mostly of paint and interior, and not be spat upon by the ma$$es. And it could always be changed back. Further food for that thought, there were never black or darker blue hulls of that style back when, and only white Tique hulls. Just thinking out loud.           
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Further food for thought. I think we've seen some of the biggest modifications on older boats from some of the European and Australian guys. Cheaterpete is one that comes to mind. I guess it makes sense. The boats seem to be inordinately expensive over there forcing people into older boats. The older boats there seem to be really beat up, and parts aren't cheap or easy to come by. If I recall, Cheaterpete was a Hot Rod guy on the car side as well. Painted his boat with flames, and was changing out the original engine in favor of a Corvette engine. BKH
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Here are a few pics of what I brought home and you can compare to the pics in my link below with the changes we made. We changed the stripe and carpet color and updated the interior but I think the boat still has a cla$$ic look to it. I even struggled with upgrading the motor just a bit from stock but decided to go for it because the mods won't really be obvious to anyone. I must admit, as these boats get older I hate to see them altered too much.



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reidp; not to throw a curve ball, nor to inject my redneck sense of See All & Know All,but it is amazing how my sense of what is right and what is wrong .If it floats your boat and it don't sink mine,who does it hurt?There is very little purist in me ,It's that hind sight that tells me ;"I wish i would have given that more thought".
My main issue at 52 is to go fast,ie lottsa G's and the boat still look like a 1964 cla$$ic............. boat dr
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Originally posted by SkiBum SkiBum wrote:

I have replaced the dash pod with that of a 2003 model and installed Faria guages.


SkiBum, do you have a pic of the '03 dash installed? The pic in your diary shows the Faria gauges in the original dash.

Id say Im mostly a purist. Boats like this make me cringe.



For the most part I prefer that the exterior of a boat remain year-correct. Minor subtle changes can be ok (I have changed my bow light and removed some stickers towards the stern). I think that interior improvements can look good if done right- Alan and 79SkiNautique come to mind with their updated, but cla$$y looking vinyl. Functional improvements are always good- but they look much better when done right, like this wide observer seat in a Tique.



As far as improvements that are largely hidden, Im all for them. Dripless shaft seals, electronic ignition, Acme props, etc. I think engine upgrades are perfectly acceptable (obviously). The only possible exception would be on a rare older motor, such a clean all-original H/M.
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I like stock, mild and (wild if it's yours and happy with it)My faorites are subtle mods that draw you in, but make you think ... oh I get it now. I saw a 55 chevy small block with 3 stromberg carbs that was clean,clean,clean.
As I talked to the owner & drooled on his car
I noticed the carbs were just air horns,and the intake had custom port injection bungs welded in. Camo IROC Z tuned port injection.
BRILLIANT !!! I have to go lay down now!
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Do with the boat what you want.

I bought an 82 2001 because I wanted a super solid boat that would be good for wakeboarding. I will continue changing the boat to make it do what I need it to.

Basically do what makes you smile.
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TRBenj, did you read that guys description of that boat on ebay? Crazy, I bet it's a '67 Barracuda, going by the bow scoop and the emblem over the steering wheel.
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Im gonna guess '70 Barracuda, judging by the flat-top motorbox. Lots of discussion in this thread.
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What I did to my Tique was to make a rig for the wife and I to just ride while wanting a boat that looked good to me. The wood look of old and the style of the boats just therafter. No way near being pure.

As far as being pure we do have my wifes first car, which she bought May 1967. A 1967 Mustang Conv in springtime yellow with a black top and interior. The graw back to this car is it is a 200 CUI 3 speed. Car has been OEM parts througt out andh as been drive only 4000 miles in the 10 years since being restored
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here is a 82-83, at first I thought it was to over the top, but after looking at more I now think they did a very nice job on it. It is a personal choice, just dont do it in pink..

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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:


SkiBum, do you have a pic of the '03 dash installed? The pic in your diary shows the Faria gauges in the original dash.


The photo in the diary is of the new dash pod. Apparently it is not '03. Regardless, it is not the '87. It fits perfectly on the old dash. Where the ignition switch and control switches are located I used a 1/8" thick piece of wood, laminated it with resin, then primed, painted, and clear coated it to a dark grey color. I recently purchased a yard of carbon cloth. One of my sub projects is to use laminate that carbon cloth for an even nicer look.

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OK, back to that ebay boat, not trying to start an argument, but this pic is from the reference section, a '68


and I know this is a 1971 Skier, same scoop as the '71's brochure in the ref. section.


What kind of bow scoop does a 70's model have? That ebay boat looks to have the scoop of the first pic.
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MaddMarxx... now those two boats I REALLY like, especially the 2nd one, like i said it all comes down to if it's tastefully done and professionally done(or at least be able to make it look professional) that 2nd one if probably what i would do to my next boat when i do manage to get a '87-89 SN/BFN. That first one's def. different from what I've seen, but it's well done, not too much, at least for me, but what do i know?

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MM, I remember thinking how nicely those boats were restored (despite being non-original) the first time you posted them. Gives them some personality on a lake with no shortage of CC's- very cool.

Tim, I dont see a scoop on the ebay boat. Looking through the diaries, I cant tell a difference between the '67-70 Cudas (although I believe that some 70 models had the square windshields). I a$$umed incorrectly that the curved motorboxes were used through '69 like the Mustang.

SkiBum, you can get the "Ski Nautique" and "Correct Craft" emblems through a dealer. If you want the "Performance engineered for..." emblem, you have to get it directly from CC. You have integrated the dash very nicely- do you mind me asking where you got it?

Just FYI, I believe your dash is from a 90-93 boat (not 2003), as your upper dash appears to be the same as mine (and looks nothing like my dad's).

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This one did look good a few years back, but the gel on the bottom is shot now.

Reid..a black boat sounds good, but down in FL it would be a frying pan in the sun!!

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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

OK, back to that ebay boat, not trying to start an argument, but this pic is from the reference section, a '68


and I know this is a 1971 Skier, same scoop as the '71's brochure in the ref. section.


What kind of bow scoop does a 70's model have? That ebay boat looks to have the scoop of the first pic.


Correct Craft kept the line of picture 1 through 1970. The 2nd picture design started in 1971. There have been posts of Barracudas and Mustangs with the 60's hull and decks listed as 1971's or 1972's. Some with square windhields and othes with hardware from the 1970's.
I don't know what the story with those boats really is.

There were 2 Barracuda hulls. A short one and a long one. The long one had a larger deck that overhanged more. The short hull had the fibergla$$ motorbox and the long hull had the wood motor box that was upolstured.

It seems starting in 1968 the interior on the Barracuda was slightly different. The padding on the sides had a brown insert and there was a glove box.

There are a lot of Mustangs and Skylarks listed as 1966-1968 that have the old American Skier decks and not the scooped decks shown in the 1966 brochure.

It's not always easy to tell what was original, or even if the year is correct.

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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:



Just FYI, I believe your dash is from a 90-93 boat (not 2003), as your upper dash appears to be the same as mine (and looks nothing like my dad's).



I'm guessing it's the slightly smaller version of the 90+ dash used in the 89 SN and/or the sport nautiques.
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Correct Craft did not have alot of consistency in the early years especially on purchased hardware. I have seen ether 2 or 4 step pads and 3 different styles on the same year and model. Flat gla$$ windshields or the old curved plexi on the last run of the 60's hulls. Upholstered and plain fibergla$$ motor boxes. Coaming crash pads or none to name a few.


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