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brantb
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I might take you up on that. I will send a pm if i decide i want the standard one |
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mdvalant
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I'm looking for the factory tall pylon and have a shorty if you don't like the tall pole....completely understand if you want to keep it but I'm scouring the web for possible trades :) nice boat!
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flyweed
Gold Member Joined: July-11-2016 Location: WI Status: Offline Points: 539 |
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So....I noticed that "berber" carpet crap wrapped around the shaft log too. BUT..does anyone see the "shims" between the transmission and shaft coupler? Is that normal? THey almost look like pieces of 1/4" plywood or something. Maybe it's just me. Looks "odd" though.
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'93 Ski Nautique NWZ, Air Boom Tower
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brantb
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Here i changed the angle of the throttle cable so it can pull to WOT. It just changed the angle slightly. Here the bolt was sticking about 3/8 of an inch out the back. At close to WOT it was hitting where the red arrow is. My assumption is that was stopping the secondaries from opening and over time caused the diaphragm to go bad. I will be checking that tonight after work. |
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KENO
Grand Poobah Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10687 |
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A little voice in my head says your "fix" may be the reason it's not running as good.
Pictures will be helpful |
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brantb
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I will get the pictures posted up this afternoon. Took it out yesterday and now that the throttle can open all the way it isnt running as good. I am thinking that the secondaries arent open because they were being jammed up before and the diaphragm is probably bad.
Also swapped out plugs, doing fuel filter today and going to check the diaphragm. Maybe i can get it locally, otherwise i will probably order one and give it another test this coming weekend. I really need to do the shaft packing. I have to run the bilge for 1-2 minutes every half hour so it is well over how much it is supposed to drip. |
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KENO
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A picture of what the linkage issue was and the fix for it would be good to see
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brantb
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Quick update. I took the boat out again to cruise around this past Saturday. The starter is now staying engaged too long, or wont engage so that was interesting. The motor seems to be running stronger, and i finally got the majority of the unknown age gas out of it and put in some fresh non-ethanol. WOT seemed a little off. When i got back home i checked out the linkage. At > ~85% throttle the linkage was binding up with the secondaries so i took care of that. Might try to get out some day after work to run some more gas and some sea foam through it.
Still need to get a photo of it on the water to post up. |
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zwoobah
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I've had good luck with a random orbital buffer, wool bonnet, and Meguiar's diamond cut compound (this was for an oxidized Whaler, not the Mustang). Start in areas with no graphics until you get a feel for it. Remember to topcoat the whole boat with wax after you finish compounding - so the oxidation doesn't come back.
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1968 Mustang 16 - 351W powered
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brantb
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After a couple of tries i got the correct impeller. Ended up overpaying at a dealer, but it was quick, great people there, and the tech knew exactly what i needed when asking about a 20 year old boat.
Took the boat to the lake to test it out. Fired it up and immediately checked for water flow. There wasnt any. Pulled the pump and switched it around and got it working. I guess what i thought was the logical way of putting it back in was backwards. Anyways, let it warm up on the trailer and now i have a small water leak out of the intake manifold gasket. Guess the motor got a touch too hot with the bad impeller. I said the hell with it and took it out anyways. It isnt running 100%, but it is enough to drive around the lake and enjoy it for the summer. I plan on pulling the motor this fall and rebuilding it, so not too worried about damaging the motor. I still havent been able to pull the prop, but have a buddy working on burning out parts for the $10 prop puller. Going to take it out again tomorrow and give it another go. After I know it is somewhat reliable i need to pick up a polisher and some compound and start working on cleaning up the hull. It is dull and very dirty from me working on it and climbing in and out. Any suggestions on polishers and compound? I havent polished/buffed a boat before, but figured with some youtube education and tips from here i can figure it out. It cant get worse. Also, the carpet is nasty, and i generally dont like carpet. Anyone out there tear it out and put down sea deck or something similar? EDIT: Thinking about picking up a DUI distributor. That is something i can add now that will transfer to the new or rebuilt engine. Are they worth it? I am looking at https://performancedistributors.com/product/marine-dui-distributors/ which is what i have read in other posts. |
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8122pbrainard
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Brant, The $10.00 prop puller thread |
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brantb
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After some work i got the boat to where i thought would be a good point to test it on water. I had it running good on the hose and everything looked good. FIlled the bilge with water to make sure there werent any big leaks and the shaft packing was decent.
Things went better than i thought, but worse than i hoped. The impeller was clearly shot and the motor got hot. There was enough pressure with the hose that the impeller wasnt doing any work. This is what i found when i pulled the impeller out of the water pump. I didnt think i would ever see one this bad, but here it is. Should have checked this before, but i gambled and lost. When i was moving enough to force water through the system a decent leak showed itself and filled the bilge which made me nervous. The bilge pump got clogged up so it was barely keeping up. It was still a good day out on the water. Ordered some new water hose and an impeller. I also need to change out the prop. It was HORRIBLE trying to get the cotter pin out, but after about an hour and a half i finally got it. I was glad to be doing that on dry land. Anyways, if anyone has a prop puller in the denver area i could borrow that would be awesome. Otherwise i will end up buying one, but trying to save the $100 for other things i will inevitably need. Next time i take it out and there is less going on i will get some photos of it on the lake. |
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brantb
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I tightened up the gland nut and the drip slowed from a monsoon to a few drips a second. That is close enough to take to the lake. I will have to wait around a week to test it based on shipping times. I need to have a class IV throwable which is in the mail. New(to the lake) boats always get stopped by the DNR based on past experience. They need to earn the paycheck....literally
I have been working on the dash and i now have all the gauges working minus the speedo which i cant be sure of. The perfect pass is drawing too many amps and killing the rest of the dash so that will be disconnected. This winter i will get a +red and a switched+purple bus bar to distribute the load. |
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gt40KS
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Well Brant Carnac is probably correct, as usual. But I'd certainly heed his advice about repacking that gland
Sounds like your wiring issues were about as bad as mine -- Good luck! |
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brantb
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Whatever it was i cut it out. It was deteriorating and had obviously soaked up some oil in the past. It now looks like what i have seen in other pictures. Took a powerwasher to the carpet and bilge area and took a lot of grime off. Tonight i plan on filling the bilge and leaving it overnight to see how much leaks from where the shaft goes through the hull.
I also pulled those numbers off. It was nice to get them off, but depressing to see how well the hull used to shine. That will most likely be many hours and a new thread over the winter. The wiring is horrible. Was messing with that last night and got the fuel gauge to work. I now have voltage, gas, oil, tach, and maybe temp. Best thing i found....the radio was wired to the blower breaker. Guessing the acc breaker for the radio broke, they pulled the dash and grabbed a breaker they deemed not necessary. Going to somewhat clean that up, but that too will be done correct over the winter. EDIT to add: The hour meter is still working. While i was messing with the wiring and had the IGN breaker switched on and key turned to test stuff and i heard and saw it ticking away. So it does have ~425 hours on it. Odd that they make it work without the engine running, but it is what it is. |
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KENO
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I checked with Carnac and he thinks it's just wrapped around the shaft in front of the packing gland and it's adjusting nuts and maybe just a repack without any need for shaft removal might be what's needed ..............maybe |
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gt40KS
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I agree with Hollywood ... sure looks like berber carpeting to me as well. My guess is the original log deteriorated and one of the PO's performed a 'Homer engineering' repair on it with whatever they had lying around.
If Carnac was around, I'd suspect he would say you're looking at dropping the rudder so you can pull the prop shaft and install a proper log & new packing. |
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JCCI
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brantb
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Yeah. I am now rocking a 50mm ball on my hitch. The trailer in general is poor quality. No safety chains, no lights, no title, no bow winch or transom straps, but it holds the boat |
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quinner
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Trailer was a dead giveaway it was European, Must have been a company paid transfer otherwise shipping would have cost nearly as much as the boat itself, lol
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Orlando76
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With those big numbers I assumed this was an overseas boat.
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hal2814
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Great looking boat! Don’t put too much faith in the hour meter. It’s more likely that the hours meter is broken than it only having 422 hours.
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brantb
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I will start pulling/cutting that out tonight. Also need to take the big numbers off the front. Im not sure why that drip tray is there, but it goes all the way under the motor. I dont think there would be a way of getting it out without pulling the motor. The boat did spend many years in England, so maybe it is a requirement there? |
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MartyMabe
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Going to need some of these now to finish off "your "boat!
Except of course yours will be the correct shape..... |
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Hollywood
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Berber carpeting? Possibly what once lined the drip tray...
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KENO
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Whatever that stuff is, I'd get rid of it before heading out on the water.
Looks like a big drip tray tucked under the transmission I wonder why that would be there? Good luck on the water test |
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brantb
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Here are a couple more pictures. I was thinking that it looked like roam got wrapped around it, but it does look rapped neatly so i wasnt sure. Definitely looks out of place though from pictures i have seen before. The giant letters will be coming off tomorrow. If all goes well i may try to drop it into the lake and see how it runs. |
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KENO
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Since you want to call the plugs core plugs and be technically correct, you might as well say "exhaust manifold drains" and not "riser drains" since the risers are what bolt to the top of the manifolds and be technically correct there too since the drains are in the manifolds
And............if you got 3 turns on the brass pipe plugs, I wouldn't worry about doing anything else. That's plenty if they're not leaking.. Your "packing" picture is tough to see but it looks like a bunch of junk manila rope got wrapped around the coupling on the shaft. Needless to say, it ain't normal and shouldn't be there. I like the graphics except for the .BIG NUMBERS |
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brantb
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Here is a better image of it sitting in the garage. I know it is messy, but that just got pushed back
Does this packing look normal to everyone? I have never seen it like this, but this is also my first time seeing it in person. Here are some manifold bolts that are going to be a bear to get out. I saw another thread on here where someone had the same issue, so i will do what they did. And some picture of some contributing factors as to why it was so cheap. The good thing is the hour meter say ~422 hours. If that is to be believed this thing should have some life left in it. |
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8122pbrainard
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Brant,
The 3/4" sounds correct for the plugs. Yes, some chasing of the threads most likely is needed. |
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brantb
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Got some work done tonight. Got a couple new core plugs put in place. They aren’t great, but good enough to run in the garage. After that and putting new plugs in the exhaust risers I ran it on the hose for about 20 minutes. Checked the oil and it was clean so maybe the block isn’t cracked.
Anyone know the correct size for the riser drain bolts? I got some 3/4 brass pipe plugs. They went in a few turns, but didn’t feel great. It might just be corrosion thought. Thoughts on that. The heater was leaking for a few minutes, but it seems good now. The dash is trashed so if anyone is parting out a boat let me know. |
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