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8122pbrainard
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Aaron,
I agree with the idea of getting it out on the lake (with a spark arrestor on it first! ) without all the extras and see how it performs. Yes, I agree the extra weight in the bow may have been an attempt to keep the bow down at wakeboard speeds. One thing I do know is CC in later years of the Separator was adding fixed trim tabs on the bottom of the transom. With all the weight of the engine in a pretty short hull, I'm sure this was an attempt to get it to plane out faster. |
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connorssons
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your outdrive is a mercruiser 888 and usually a 302 ford! that's how my separator was originally set up. if you don't have the original gas tank I can supply you with correct dimensions, also get rid of the fishing boat seats. lol
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Gary S
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I don't know much about outdrives,I've never even been in one. But I think that early ones have power tilt but not power trim.
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rebel skier
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In terms of the sand, I think you need to get it out and run it. Not sure the pitch of that prop, but it may be a dog out of the hole and set up for high speed. Someone added a foil to help it get up on plane. The sand may have been another attempt at this. Maybe they did this to be able to hold plane and wake or kneeboard.
Once you run it, a better solution may be a different foil or some smart tabs, or Bennett SLT-10s. Water test will help answer some questions. |
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Hotty Toddy lets go skiing!
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rebel skier
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I will look for you on Tims Ford. What side of the lake do you generally boat on?
I keep my other boat, a red and white Stingray, at Sam's Storage and usually launch at the state park. I am waiting for confirmation, but might be out this Saturday with my Ski Nautique to help tow some kids from a Nashville housing project ministry. I bring out the boom and pull them on skis. My next extended amount of time out there will be Labor Day. I live in Franklin, so after school starts I tend to boat more at the far end of Percy Priest where we keep the ski club's slalom course. I do hope to get out a few more weekend day, though. Tims Ford is my favorite lake. |
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Hotty Toddy lets go skiing!
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Aaron74separator
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I found everything in pretty good order. The only thing that stands out to me is that every single nut and bolt was barely even hand tight.
I mean it was loose - very loose. Not one lock washer was in use either. |
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Well here is something I missed when I bought the boat;
The boat has about 10-15 filled sandbags in the very front. It also has had the gas tank transplanted to a new front end resting spot. I understand why someone who s new to a boat like this would be afraid of the hole-shot and want that front end down as quickly as possible it is that not what trim is for? I wa t to ditch the sandbags and also return the fuel tank to its birth home What say you??? |
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Riley
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When we first started looking for an old Correct Craft in 2005, I was hoping to find a perfect Barracuda tucked away in someone's barn. After awhile, I realized they don't exist. Then at Lake George in 2008 Mr. Ralph told a story how he had to explain to a disappointed customer that had expected a perfect Correct Craft that no Correct Craft is perfect. Anyone that has met Mr. Ralph knows how that story ended. You've got a really nice boat that needs some work, just like every other one out there.
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Riley
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Great looking boat!
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Duane in Indy
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Ken, I picked up on the fuel filter first thing but thought "what the heck the guy just bought the boat and has not done anything to update it yet"
It will take time to update to CG approved items. Right now he is proud to show off his new toy as we all have been before. It is our job to help newcomers along and steer them in a safe direction. Not to pee on their parade. I (and others) have no idea who the PO was and won't condemn his ability or lack there of. I don't give a rats @ss if he has a tube or not. Better to have the kids out on the water having fun then to force them into a sport that fits others but may terrify them. I own three bass boat, should I be tossed to the wolves? I think your boat is cool and has a lot of potential Keep the posts and pics coming. If we can help then don't hesitate to ask. Good luck with your new project. Duane in Indy |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
1978 Mustang (modified) |
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KENO
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Aaron
It seems to me that Pete in his eagerness to pick on your boat and the previous owner, jumped right on that air filter without noticing a plastic fuel filter or asking what the carburetor hiding under that air cleaner looks like. I figure there's a pretty good chance it might not be a marine carburetor from what your pictures show.. A good picture or 2 or 3 of the carburetor without the filter would help. You could take a picture or 2 of the distributor also By the way, it's a decent looking boat with some non original stuff. I like it |
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KENO
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The last sentence in the quote above from yesterday pretty much sums up the various names for the early outdrive. Once the Alpha showed up, it was easy to call the original Mercruiser 1 or R the Pre Alpha. You have an IO so the goats are always circling, just waiting to get ya' |
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OK folks, unless someone strongly objects I am willing to call this a "Pre-Alpha" although I'm not fond of a name that is based on a future occurance. In 1974 the name was not "pre-alpha" because the Alpha was not around yet How can the thing named Alpha or #1 have anything coming before it? It is the Alpha - right?
No, I will name my outdrive the "Separated Drive unit". Confusion is now solved. Please amend all part catalogs and literature. |
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I got u in the Air cleaner but the tube stays!
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8122pbrainard
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Aaron, Thanks for the pictures. Number one on your list before you take it out on the lake or even start it in the driveway is to get the automotive air cleaner off and get a USCG spark arrestor on it. You DO NOT what a big BOOM!!!! Did you get it that way? If so, I highly recommend telling the seller for me he is definitely a back yard hack!! EDIT: You can get rid of that tube too! |
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A link for pictures...
Soon I will master the local File Manager and pics upload as it is now personal! Aaron's 1974 Separator |
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Thanks!
I of course, filled from the bottom. We are from the same area. I'm on Tims Ford Lake in Franklin County. |
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rebel skier
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Also, you pump the gear lube into the out-drive from the bottom up, not let it fill from the top down. If you did not fill it this way, you might as well drain it again when you do the impeller. I don't know about gen 1, but my gen 2 impellers are really hardy.
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Hotty Toddy lets go skiing!
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KENO
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Here's a link telling how to distinguish different Mercruiser outdrives complete with pictures of the obvious easy to recognize differences
If you click on Pre Alpha for example you'll get pictures and info and if you click on Alpha you'll get pictures and info. link Also Pre Alpha, Mercruiser 1 and R are all different names for the same early drive |
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Lakeview
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I have a '75 I/O,your '74 if it's the original outdrive was designated "MR" by mercruiser-Pictures as Pete and Keno said will help us relay info for your separator Look on your transom behind the lifting ring rod in the engine compartment to check for your hull tag-it will read SEP and a four digit number.
The small brass pipe coming out of your outdrive by the gimbal housing is your raw water feed that supplies water from your outdrive pump to the engine. We need pictures-good luck |
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Lakeview
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OK great we can now put that horse to pasture because I have no Velvet drive.
I do have the numbers 55894 on the Mercury Marine out drive.. I am still poking for a serial # on the outdrive and the engine. ThAnk you Keno |
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KENO
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The link will take you to a picture or 3 or 4 of the transmission along with the adapter to the outdrive..which is bolted to the back of it.
Like I said, I doubt you have that setup, but just in case here it is. Most Mercruisers have forward and reverse gears in the outdrive, but a TR or TRS from back then didn't and the transmission provided the forward and reverse function along with adding another hundred or so pounds of weight. I could send a picture of that cooling diagram too if you need it, but didn't want to so as to avoid confusion. link |
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I REALLY appreciate everything you've done for me but will you please send me that picture of the transmission. I promise it won't confuse me! By the way I am 53.
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KENO
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Here's a picture of the standard raw water cooling system from the manual
There's about a mile and a half of cooling hoses between the thermostat housing and the manifolds. There could be a slim chance that the goats are circling right now so I figure I should mention that some of Mercruisers more high performance outdrives back then had a Borg Warner transmission connecting the engine to the outdrive.(TR and TRS designations for these outdrive units) You most likely have just the engine and the outdrive .with the outdrive being a Mercruiser 1 If you have a transmission in between, then your outdrive won't have a water pump in it Somebody could have changed a lot of things in the last 44 years I could give you a picture of that too, but to avoid confusion I won't right now. |
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KENO
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Don't know how old you are but everybody not named Aaron that posted in this thread so far is in their 60's I've got a Mercruiser paper manual that has the Small Block Ford cooling system for an IO. I'll take a picture and post it later tonight. |
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SNobsessed
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If you search the web for this, it is best t use serial # to get right manual. I worked on a friend's merc & it was an oddball, never did find correct diagram for it. |
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8122pbrainard
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Aaron,
Glad you found CCfan and glad we were able to help. Do some exploring of the site and I know you will find lots of information and also find there is a member knowledge base on CC's like no other. Now, what about those pictures? |
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I want to thank everybody for helping a "Newbie" out and saving me from installing a Sherwood pump as a supplemental pump to feed the outdrive pump that I did not even know existed. I was literally so close to doing this it's ridiculous. I think with age comes wisdom. As a younger man I wouldn't have asked for any help I would instead jumped right in and done it..
So what was going to be a major and unnecessary repair job has now become a simple impeller change thanks to you guys! One more thing: I really would appreciate it if somebody could provide me with the correct plumbing diagram for my cooling system. |
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Thanks for this information! There was some confusion about whether it was an Alpha 1 or a Mercruiser 1. |
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