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    Posted: April-30-2015 at 3:16pm
Hey gang!

Our new to us 95 Ski seems to be, for lack of better term, "chugging" at WOT.

The best way I can describe it is compared to a carbed motor not all 4 barrels opening up.

It's up around 42-43mph at 4600 rpm running a 654 ACME 12.5X15.

It's right there, but feels just a tiny tiny bit short of what it should be.

I'd assume the basics..plugs/wires (not sure when those were done last) but didn't know if you guys had any secrets on these GT's.    Fuel could also be to blame I suppose. Haven't run a fresh brand new tank all the way through yet this year.

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I think Zach has mentioned before that the caps and rotor can have issues, so change that too.
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what rpm's are you running when starts to chug ?
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4600 RPM. When it's not chugging or trying to open up itll bump up to 4700 and I think it wants to do 4800 but won't get there.
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Originally posted by mdvalant mdvalant wrote:

Haven't run a fresh brand new tank all the way through yet this year.


Come back after you get a few gallons of fresh gas through it. Certainly wouldn't hurt to inspect the cap & rotor.
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We have practice tomorrow night and Sat AM so we'll run a bunch through it then and I can report back. I'd assume that's what's up...or hope anyways :)

I know the GT's had a little thing about the chug situation I guess so thought I'd check.

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That early gt40 in that hull should pull a 654 to 5200 and at least 46mph. You're a good ways off those numbers, something's up.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

That early gt40 in that hull should pull a 654 to 5200 and at least 46mph. You're a good ways off those numbers, something's up.


woah...I was wondering what top RPM should be, Tim.   Is that safe to run 5200? If it ever got there? Can't remember what the desired top is on those.

If that's the case...then yes I'd say something is up.
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I would change the fuel filter or filters if this boat is new to you and you don't have the history.   If you are going to run it and burn through a tank of fuel I like to add a quart of automatic Transmission fluid to the fuel tank. ATF has many cleaning and lubricating properties that help clean a fuel injection system. It keeps the injectors snapping the way they should. I only do this once per season.
You might wish to put a fuel pressure gauge on it when you run it and see how the pressure is holding up when your power falls off.

The 95 has a temp sender and an oil pressure sender that can put your engine into limp mode if they go off at the wrong time. My coolant sender started making my engine stumble when the raw water pump was not putting out enough water to keep the temp constant. I guess I should be appreciative since I was able to fix it with no damage done.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

That early gt40 in that hull should pull a 654 to 5200 and at least 46mph. You're a good ways off those numbers, something's up.


My thoughts exactly with a 654
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4800-5000 is optimal for best all around performance but 5200 won't hurt it.
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Thanks guys! I was wondering what top RPM should be on that thing.
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When the GT40 is running good it is pretty impressive for a stock engine.
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I've always been a fan of the GT40's. Seems so strong.

Mark, side note, your boat and trailer combo is in my top 5 Nautique favorites. You can't beat red black and white on the water.
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Hey Mark, you say you run a 224 prop. We run a 1442 on our Sport Nautique and the tranny knocks or dampener plate makes a little tick at idle with that thing. Does the 224 do that to you?
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The tick is caused by the damper being worn or the idle needs to be adjusted, even if it only shows up with a particular prop, it is not the true cause.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

The tick is caused by the damper being worn or the idle needs to be adjusted, even if it only shows up with a particular prop, it is not the true cause.


Interesting...Sporty only has about 140 hours on it!   Doesn't do that on any other prop was kind of my thinking..
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The bigger diameter of the 1442 combined with the high pitch could be just loading the drivetrain enough to lower the RPM and then rattle.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

The bigger diameter of the 1442 combined with the high pitch could be just loading the drivetrain enough to cause the rattle.


This is what I've been told in the past, HW.   That 224 has even more pitch than the 1442 so that's why I asked about it.
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In the mid 90's we had some 3/8" fuel hose that the inner liner tended to collapse on the suction side of the fuel delivery system. If it has it's original fuel lines in it I would be prone to go completely through the fuel system from the pick up tube and anti siphon fitting forward, inspecting and changing out the original fuel supply and return hoses, and checking that the vent hose was clear as well as the vent. along with a quick tear down of both fuel pumps, especially the low pressure pump as gradew seems to accumulate in the screen in the top of the pump.
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Originally posted by Fl Inboards Fl Inboards wrote:

In the mid 90's we had some 3/8" fuel hose that the inner liner tended to collapse on the suction side of the fuel delivery system. If it has it's original fuel lines in it I would be prone to go completely through the fuel system from the pick up tube and anti siphon fitting forward, inspecting and changing out the original fuel supply and return hoses, and checking that the vent hose was clear as well as the vent. along with a quick tear down of both fuel pumps, especially the low pressure pump as gradew seems to accumulate in the screen in the top of the pump.


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Fuel pressure check.......

The early 95 GT40 without the FCC should still have a "Schrader" valve on fuel rail.
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On a side note Mark, Skidim is listing new for '15, PCM ECM's for all GT40 efi engines at $572.69
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Originally posted by MrMcD MrMcD wrote:

   If you are going to run it and burn through a tank of fuel I like to add a quart of automatic Transmission fluid to the fuel tank. ATF has many cleaning and lubricating properties that help clean a fuel injection system. It keeps the injectors snapping the way they should. I only do this once per season.

Since we have a GT-40 in the Sport I'm following this post in order to be potentially prepared if things go south. Is the ATF idea good? Thoughts ?

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I too was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the ATF idea.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

On a side note Mark, Skidim is listing new for '15, PCM ECM's for all GT40 efi engines at $572.69


I had a lot of fun with my ECM project for the GT40. I started it thinking that down the road I may build a stroker engine. I run the DIYPNP ECM all the time now and I am continually analysing and updating the tuning.
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I would rather see Marvel Mystery added to the gas than ATF. Both are very similar with being heavy on detergents but the Marvel is designed as a top cylinder lube. The ATF is more on the hydraulic oil side.


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Thanks Peter! So if I would consider doing it, then with Marvel, but is this needed or a preventative thing to do? Saw this come up theb1st time in this post.
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Fuel injector cleaner costs about the same as atf last I checked.
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I've heard of guys running ATF and Jet-A in diesels for clean up but not in gassers doesn't mean it can't be done just never heard of it till now.
As for the GT -40 I run the 1442 runs 48 - 49 and will spin it up to 5200 and I'll run It there for a long time getting down the lake. Won't hurt a healthy 351
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