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seacamper
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I have to tell you, THAT is how I wish I had led my life. Inventing cool stuff dealing with watersports. I am thinking that will be the new standard. Tom |
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On my 99 one pump was right after the seacock shown in the diagram and the other was further back in the bilge under the removable floor section behind the dog house.
You could definitely make the change you noted however may want to see how it works first. When ballast was required I would hit the fill pump and let it run while the skier was getting ready, rope out, etc. by the time you were tightening up the rope to go the tanks were full or close to it. |
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seacamper
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Does anyone have a diagram of the 99 with pump assist? In the diagram above I know where the "fill" pump is, it is right after the Through Hull Water Pickup and pressurizes fill hose to the tanks. That pump must allow water to pass to the tanks if the pump is not running.
My question is on the empty pump. It must be the same. I can only guess, but it is probably on the fill line, and just allows water to pass when it is off. So when neither pump is running, and the valves to the tank are open AND the Seacock is open AND you are moving forward, (I am thinking of changing my screen name to "Seacock")the water passes past the fill and the empty pump into the tank. In this configuration, if you stop moving, the tanks drain. What if I removed the fill and empty pumps, and replaced the fill pump with a reversible jabsco pump and replaced the empty pump with a line splice? I would lose the ability to gravity empty, and pressure fill, but I would gain a faster, more reliable fill? Any thoughts? Tom |
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Pumps were available however they were an option which I ordered, my 99 had 2 aerator pumps, one filled and the other emptied, it actually was not a bad system, if you used the pumps while driving they filled pretty quickly. Couple weak points on the system were the pumps did not last long, replaced after about 3 years and the helm valves did not really stop the water flow, it just slowed it down significantly, otherwise it worked fine. Gravity drain and the ability to fill without pumps was also a nice feature, something they eliminated on the newer systems like my 05' 206, pump must be used to fill or empty. |
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lewy2001
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Tom just got some measurements that may help with your lift canopy. From the top of the windscreen to top of rub rail is 50cm (19.68") with the tower folded the measurement from top of folded leg to top of rub rail is 112cm (44.09").
Therefore folded tower is 62cm(24.4") higher than screen. As quinner mentioned one advantage of the FCT1 is it can be folded with bimini attached. |
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Thanks for the diagram Mark. Adam, Mrs Seacamper was actually pretty good about the whole thing. She liked the boat.
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Launch control system in Air / Sport. They do not have the quick fill and empty ballast "puppy" pumps. This is another reason they were mostly removed by the serious boarders.
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IAughtNaut
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what did Mrs. Scamper say?
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IAughtNaut
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awesome, seascamper to join the ranks of the pro air owners! counting me, that makes...calculating...carry the 4...divide by pi...yep, 2
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My '98 had the ballast tanks already removed when I bought it. I did test drive a '99 Sport that had them, and the owner showed me how they filled and emptied, this boat didn't have a pump, just the factory system. The way it worked was they filled by driving forward at below planning speed, took quite a while to fill. They emptied by gravity, and I think you could speed it up by driving but not sure, only saw it that once. Not a very good system, I think you'd want a pump after using it just a few times.
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Looks like a nice one,hope everything works out for you
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seacamper
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Thanks guys for all the info. I went and saw the boat and it is real nice. We show ski and wakeboard, so I am really not concerned about the slalom wake. I put a deposit on it and will go do the final test run Monday. We did not have time to ski behind it today, and when we tried to fill the ballast tanks, one would not fill, so the owner said he would go through the system before the sale. I really liked the boat.
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I would not avoid this model year just because of the potential for bad gauges. Odds are that they have already been replaced, and if not, it is a pretty easy job to replace them. Nautique made it easier by recommending replacement gauges and they were/are available at a decent price. |
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Hey Brett,
I will be fine with the tower if it fits under the canopy. Here is the canopy page from Craftlander Lifts Lift It is hard to find, but if you find the section called High Top Tower, they have a small picture with dimensions that show a 41" high top and 23" sides. I am hoping that will work. I may have to add side curtains. |
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bhectus
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I'd still take a FCT1 over any aftermarket tower except a NDT. I think they kind of got a bad wrap after the FCT2 came out because it was a little more stout but it flowed a lot better with the lines of the boat.
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Have a FCT1 on my 98 Sport it only folds forward and is still quite tall when folded. They are not the best looking tower but they do the same job. FCT1 looks better when loaded with boards and a bimini (camoflauge ).
I looked into modifying the FCT also the limiting factor is that you need to keep the mounting points on the deck the same as you do not want to be drilling new holes in the gel and trying to fill the old ones. It could be done but would be nearly as expensive as replacing. The FCT1 is smaller diameter but has a lot of bracing pieces to add strength. There were reports of cracking on the FCT1. There is no signs of mine cracking or ever being repaired and it gets "tested" with slalom and boarding doubles. |
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Folding any tower every time you pull into the lift is going to be a pain in the ass. A high canopy and shade cloth curtains is the way to go. No tower folding whatsoever.
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So heres an update,
I called Mark in Tarpon about the Pro. (Thanks Bobby) It sounds like a great boat, and I am going to try and see it in the next few days. Can the FCT1 fold both ways? Can it fold back onto the engine cover? I wonder if a machine shop could modify the legs of the FCT1 tower with pins so you could pull the legs off right at the side braces? I think then it would fit better under the canopy on the boat lift. Tom |
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Hey Hollywood, thanks for the input! It is so much better than Adam's! I actually agree with Adam on wanting the FCT2 tower because I just ordered a boat lift, and I will be folding the tower a lot. I also want the tandem trailer because when you blow a tire, it is safer with a tandem.
I called the guy in California, and he said he estimates 630 hours based on the fact that he pulled the hobbs out when he put in perfect pass? He said the gauges were good and that he just replaced the keypad. So does that mean this is the year to avoid due to bad gauges? |
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Tom, I think a Pro Air would serve you as well as the Sport/Air. Possibly better since Thomas is into wakeboarding. Barefooting and show skiing will be the same. Ever so slightly rougher slalom wake. You won't be folding the tower much, if ever so don't hold out for a FCT2. A boat that has one will also probably have the bad gauges...
A tandem just means more tires to blow out! I would go for that white 99 locally. Good price, close by, clean and the easiest to maintain colors in Florida. |
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Ok, so that dude must have popped the 75th anniversary decals off, which makes very little sense to me. |
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Hmmm, photo 6 looks like one of the strakes is missing some gelcoat?
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Has to be a '00 with the optional '99 graphics because they didnt go to the digital gauges until '00.
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The interior looks good from the few pics he has on there...the key one is the 10th where it shows the back seat and trunk, that's where mine went bad first. That price is real tempting, but there are two things missing from that ad...# of hours, and if the gauges work. They appear to be the original digital gauges, which are junk. If they work now, they probably won't for long. My fear is he didn't post the hours because they're not working at all.
The popup cleats on the gunnels in the back are a nice addition. Getting it from Cali could be tricky, but for that price, stranger things have happened than having a boat shipped. Its not a 2000 though, that's a 1999. The graphics are the first giveaway, but you could get alternate graphics on the 2000...what that boat is missing is the 75th anniversary emblems on the windshield...if you look at my profile pic its the yellow and black oval on the bottom corner of the windshield. Same boat, just a different year. |
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That one looks nice also. He just had it on ebay and it ended either yesterday or the day before with -0- bids which kind of shocked me. That would be a very good deal if it has a decent interior.
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I agree with the tower. I really want a tandem trailer as well because my wife and fam will probably be hauling it between FL and SC. So lets talk about the availability of the FCT 2 tower. I am going to do a quick search. This would be the pro air I would go with. It has everything I want. The price is right. The tower is right. It has a tandem trailer. How do I get it 2200 miles to FL? 2000 Pro Air |
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oh the oft maligned pro air...the hull is slightly different than the air (strakes and chines) but there are very few other differences. the thing that would give me pause on that one is the 1st gen fct, I've always thought those were an eyesore. as for skiability, as HW found out last month, the slalom wake is decent, but there is a little bit of a rooster tail to deal with after 15 off. when I bought mine I kinda used the wrong criteria but it ended up working out, I love it. if you really want to know how it performs, see if you can hitch a ride with Jerry Smith (smithfamily) up to white lake this weekend, that's where I'll be.
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Hey Bobby, I got your text on the Pro Air yesterday, but I was stuck in Montego Bay and the data fees are insane. OK guys, that boat is a player in my secret boat quest, but I thought that the standard Air Nautique was a more versatile boat for show skiing including barefoot, swivel, slalom, and that the Pro Air Nautique had a hull more conducive to wake boarding? Based on that, I changed my target to just the Air Nautique. Can anyone comment? Thanks, Tom |
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I'd be all over that one in Tarpon. That's a nice boat.
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