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    Posted: April-13-2014 at 9:06pm
i hope the timing cover isnt off to drain the water out. the one thing about the boat is that it does look to be pretty complete you could probably as said above get some decent $ for parts.
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Jeff,
Thanks for posting the pictures for Michael.
Yup, that hull has been out in the weather for some time.
Michael, considering the cracking in the gel, restoring the hull would be a MAJOR project with a total down to the glass and then a gel job. I'm reluctantly agreeing parting it out! Did you get the engine to turn over? Why is the front timing cover and starboard manifold plate off?


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Michael asked me to post some more pics of this:


















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Not rare, especially in the shape yours is in, but a nice boat nonetheless. There's 2 people on CCF that have restored boats as bad as yours.
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Originally posted by vee vee wrote:

does anyone have a pic of this boat restored or original.

You can go to the diary section and enter "Classic" for a search. Be cautious about what is original. Some are not!


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i checked the oil and it does have oil and water in it. i looked over it really good this morn and its got its ups and downs.. the top of the boat is spider cracked with moss growing in some areas but the bottom is suprizingly firm. i think its a parts boat at this point unless someone speaks up soon. ill post it for sale for a bit and see how it does but im still not sure how rare this boat is. does anyone have a pic of this boat restored or original.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Steve,
So, as I understand you, you consider a carb rebuild "major" work?
For me it is....   


Actually,I did not say a carb rebuild is "major" work. If you look back, what I actually said was...
Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:


By the looks, expect to have to do some major work to those Carter YH carbs.
a rebuild is about as major as work can get on a YH.

The carbs would probably be one of the smallest problems of getting the Classic back on water.    
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Steve,
So, as I understand you, you consider a carb rebuild "major" work?


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That motor looks locked up tight. If you have access to a video probe I would check inside the chambers before your spray in oil or try to turn it over. If it does turn over and your cylinder walls are all rusted your doing more harm than good
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Pete,
Something tells me you aint going to put gas to the carbs and have them purring away. At the least, I'm guessing the YH's are going to have to be taken apart and cleaned. And more than likely they will need a rebuild to get them back in shape.

My 62 Classic has a freshly built 312 that HAD the yh's. Gary H (remember him?) started to convert it to a 4bbl but never got the job finished. Thats when I bought the boat.


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Originally posted by vee vee wrote:

i havent checkrd the oil but i will.. is there a way to spin the motor without taking it apart

You can try a socket and breaker bar on the front crank bolt but don't over do it. You don't want to strip threads! A 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone (better than any penetrating oil) down the plug holes would be a good idea just as Steve mentioned (yes, Marvel is great stuff too) I don't know why he mentioned "major" work on the YH carbs?? I too have a 312 with the YH's!


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Check the oil level before trying to turn it over. If it is over full, you may have water in the oil. I would then pull the drain plug to see if water comes out as well. If it hasnt been run, the water will be the first to drain.

To turn it over the best thing to do is take the spark plugs out, squirt a little Marvel Mystery oil in each cylinder and try turning it over by hand with a breaker bar.

If engine is not stuck, put "fresh" oil in it. I sometimes put used oil from my truck in it at this point, just to see if it will start. Hook up a battery and hotwire the iginition(unless you have the key)See if it will start, cough, sputter or anything. By the looks, expect to have to do some major work to those Carter YH carbs.

Get to this point and we can go from there.

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i havent checkrd the oil but i will.. is there a way to spin the motor without taking it apart
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Bruce,
Looking at the engine pics, I would be shocked if it wasnt frozen, let alone getting her to run. Appears to have been uncovered for some time. Even in "sunny Ca" chances are there has been water intrusion.

vee,, have you pulled the dipstick to check oil level?
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I guess the case has been made to part it out as there's got to be at least $1500 in parts there, unless the engine is junk.
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With the overall condition of the boat and the trailer, I think baitkiller pretty much has it spot-on as a $300-$400 item. I assume the boat is in California? Someone local would need to be the buyer. Shipping it anywhere would be wayyyy more than the value of the boat itself.

I hate to say it, but the other option would be to part it out, you might be able to make a little more money off of it, but would have your time invested and would have a hull to dispose of.
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one of my clients asked me to clear a 5 acre propery of debre and repair his house. he didnt have the money to pay for it so he asked if i would do the work based on what i could get for some of the items and scrap metal. i knew it wouldnt be a money maker but i figure its just the right thing to do. he bought the property for his best friend and he passed away and needs to sell the property right away. ive have removed over 30tons of trash and another 20 tons of scrap. i had one of my guys on a backhoe ready to pull the motor out of this boat and trash the rest.. something told me not to do it.. im already upside down on the job ans knew it would cost a pretty penny to have this boat towed but i figured if someone would enjoy it then the money didnt matter.. just felt like it was the right thing to do.. its a really neat boat and i hope someone will make an offer on it. thanks for all your posts. im doing the paperwork so that should let us kniw the actual year..if anyone want specific pics let me know ok
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

It will take plenty of work, but remember what Gary's mustang looked like before he started?


Since the windshield is wrong I'd just remove it. They are overrated anyway





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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

It will take plenty of work, but remember what Gary's mustang looked like before he started?


Since the windshield is wrong I'd just remove it. They are overrated anyway
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The tag says the engine code is E, so that's a 312 as long as it's the original engine. Give it a good cleaning and get all the debris out of it. She'll grow on you. They're great boats. I think ours is PC 137 and it's supposedly a 62, so yours may be older than a '65.
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Pete - you even keep your computer OS original too huh?
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Originally posted by 62 wood 62 wood wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Well, anything is restorable but if you move forward, it will take plenty of work.


BTW, that black on the top of the hull sides is not original.


It will take plenty of work, but remember what Gary's mustang looked like before he started?

The black at top of hull????? Am I missing something? /you looking at a shadow?

Yup, I looked at it again and it's a shadow. It must be the damn XP non supported running system I have on this computer!


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shadow.
Even if I was local and I'm not.
Even if my wife would let me and she wouldn't.
Even if I had the room for another boat and I don't
I would not pay over $400 for that awesome boat.
problem is there is not one single facet of the package that isn't in really bad shape. Every single piece and part and function will have to go full tear down, assess, replace, refurbish. The only redeeming quality is the name, age and class. It is walking a fine line between parts boat and project boat. A very fine line.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Well, anything is restorable but if you move forward, it will take plenty of work.


BTW, that black on the top of the hull sides is not original.


It will take plenty of work, but remember what Gary's mustang looked like before he started?

The black at top of hull????? Am I missing something? /you looking at a shadow?
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Well, anything is restorable but if you move forward, it will take plenty of work.

It may not be the 312 but being a 65 it most likely is. I wish I had my Interceptor manual here in Il. so I could decode the engine ID. Most likely it will have the Dearbomatic trans.

I'd sure start with stripping the hull and seeing if a wet sand and buff will do any good. The early gels can be problematic. Before you go that far, chances are high that you will need stringer work.

Keep the pictures coming.

BTW, that black on the top of the hull sides is not original.


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Ah I was thinking that this one was a molded plastic doghouse with the rounded sides.
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thanks for all your posts. ive been working on the job site where this boat came from for over a month and have been checking the site here for info.. ill post the story about the boat tonite.. thanks again for all your post and help!!
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Dog house is clearly there, it just needs a top (or complete rebuild, but easily enough there for a template).
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Originally posted by ny_nautique ny_nautique wrote:

The other missing item is the motor box. That will be hard to come by.


cant remember on mine, but might be a wooden one?

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Wrong windshield as well.....
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