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    Posted: July-29-2012 at 12:30pm
Got to test the 1442 prop out on my 89 SN. Really impressed with the way it preformed. Noticeable difference on hole shot planed out quite a bit quicker. According to the GPS ran 47.7 top speed at around 4900 rpms. I was on Snow Lake was a little rough heck of a good boat show at James. Haven’t pulled any skiers yet but I’m sure it won’t have any problems. Thanks again for the advice.
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Yup, I love my 1442!!

Before that, I could only pull eight skiers on our little showteam.
Now, I pull ten of them easily...

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Wow, 47mph? Is your engine stock? I'm only getting 42-44 gps out of mine with the 470 acme at 4600-4800 rpm, depending on the number of people in the boat.

Should I be looking for a problem somewhere that is causing me to be so slow? I do have a tower and usually have boards on it, along with a bimini, so that may be slowing me down a touch, but I can't see gaining 5mph by taking it off. The engine seems strong and is running well, the holeshot is incredible.

470 - 12.5 X 15 - .105 cup
1442 - 13.25 X 15 - .90 cup

These should be very close props performance wise right, with the 1442 turning a few less rpm at the same speed?

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I did have some head work done maybe gained about 20 to 30 HP. As for the props they should perform about the same the 470 may give you more on the holes hot and about the same on top end. I would think you should be running more rams than that. Most guys that I talked to said they were running about 5200 rpms with the 470. I'm sure your losing some on the tower that is almost like a mini sail especially if you have wake board on it. So you may be right in the ball park. I had just me (190 lbs) and my boy (100 lbs) at the time I did the test run. I did happen to run against a newer Mastercraft like a 94 and really put him to shame. (Was a little happy about that)
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The 1442 and 470 turn very similar revs. I got a full 4600 with the 470 when my '90 was still stock, so 4600-4800 is about what Id expect on a slightly faster 2001 hull. So your powertrain is performing as it should.

As to what top speed those RPM's translate really are going to be dependent on your particular hull. 42mph would be on the slow side for sure (my '90 was good for 42-43mph), but 44mph isnt so bad. The extra weight of the tower up front isnt going to help your top speed- the more weight towards the front, the more of the boat you put in the water, and you have to fight that drag. A full tank of gas and a few bodies in the back seat will usually make the boat run a bit faster.

47mph out of a stock 2001 is exceptional. A 422 may have it running a little faster even, and keep the revs down in the 4600-4700 range. 4900 is pretty fast to spin a stock motor- not a problem for reliability, but you are a little ways from where the engine makes peak hp at that point.
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Next weekend I'll unload some stuff from the boat and get a run in without any boards or the bimini. 150lbs worth of tools, anchor, skis, and wet lifejackets stuffed under the bow probably does not help either. Maybe I can tag 45.
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So a 422 may have more top end than the 1442? I would have thought the 4 blade a bit slower on the top end due to the lessser efficiency.

I am considering a 1442 on my 89.

Thanks for the informative post.
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All else being equal, yes, a 3-blade would be faster than a 4-blade due to the better efficiency.

Unfortunately, you cant quite hold everything else equal in this case, as the 422 has 1/2" more pitch than the 470 or 1442, and Acme doesnt make a 12.5x15.5 3-blade.

Controlling your WOT revs and matching them to your powerband is the primary concern, though- definitely ahead of blade count. For a stock 240hp 351w, Id be shooting for ~4600. If the 422 gets you closer to that (and it sounds like it would) then it should be a touch faster, or at least run the same speed. The bonus would be that you turn lower revs throughout the band, so possibly save a bit on fuel.
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You may want to check out the 2068 acme prop. It supposedly turns little less rpms. I wasn't too worried about the higher rpms myself because it's still within its power band. Those 351’s would handle I bet 6000 rpms anyway. Though with the stock heads, cam and the comp. ratio you would never see that. 99% of the time we use it for skiing anyway so I'm not running full throttle. Who know how accurate the tach's are anyway the can be off a good 10%.
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4900rpm is actually pretty consistent with 47-48mph, I would think. Very stout performance. I wouldnt worry about the revs in terms of reliability (I spin 5200), but you may pick up a touch of speed if you can knock the revs back a bit if you went to another good prop like the 422. But either way, it sounds like the boat runs really strong.

I would not recommend the 2068, it is just a 470 with extra cup in it (.150 vs. .105). I have not found cup to be a suitable replacement for pitch- while it does a good job of knocking back the revs, it doesnt seem to add any extra speed. I believe it makes the prop less efficient. I had cup added to a 470 prior to the 2068 coming out (I had them put in .130) and I wouldnt do that again. Stick with cup in the "normal" range (.060-.110).
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[QUOTE=Airgrabber] Those 351’s would handle I bet 6000 rpms anyway. Though with the stock heads, cam and the comp. ratio you would never see that. QUOTE]

Correct, they fall flat well before that.

However 5500 is the safe max rpm for the stock lower end before they frag. 6000 is the number for the 302, based on stroke and piston speed.
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Way way back, cup was added to cure prop cavitation problems and was not intended to be a substitute for pitch.   


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Originally posted by GottaSki GottaSki wrote:

[QUOTE=Airgrabber] Those 351’s would handle I bet 6000 rpms anyway. Though with the stock heads, cam and the comp. ratio you would never see that. QUOTE]

Correct, they fall flat well before that.

However 5500 is the safe max rpm for the stock lower end before they frag. 6000 is the number for the 302, based on stroke and piston speed.
Come on man, you got have more faith than that in the 351's I have one in an early 1970 Bronco that will handle the 6000 rpms without a problem. LOL Anyway it would be fun to see how high they would rev before they grenade. You are right about the 302 will handle the revs better.     
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I had a 422 on my old 89 and it was good for 4650rpm from memory at around 47mph. I put a 470 on at a later stage and found the rpms increased significantly. The 470 would be good for a weighted 89 SN2001 boarding boat but the 422 was a great all round prop and suited the higher speeds of slalom and footing.
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