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Bri892001
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Fuel pumps not running = engine not running. Fixed by replacing ECM (ECA is the correct terminology as explained by Paul, AKA the engine computer) Relay. This is one of the two relays in the back of the motor. One of which is for the fuel pumps and one of which is for the ECA:
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39443&title=gt40-fuelpumps-not-running Updated Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VemuIOaa9i8kEply-ZmFOSyjyzz8rd7B0WEuIT_6S0/edit?usp=sharing |
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Bri892001
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Replacing Idle Air Control fixes loping idle. This post also comes with an updated part number: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39377&title=gt40-isc
Updated Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VemuIOaa9i8kEply-ZmFOSyjyzz8rd7B0WEuIT_6S0/edit?usp=sharing |
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Bri892001
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Brent, I added your fix to the spreadsheet.
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workky
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No confusion at all, or atleast i dont think
Issue-Boat idles fine at idle, but when warm it idles erratic and shuts off, but will start right back up just fine Solution for me- replaced Idle Air Control Motor or whatever its called Thanks |
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Bri892001
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That's a good catch. I think I had meant to link that entry directly to Lewy's particular post within that thread. That's the only thing I can think of. It gets a little tricky to keep track of, when there are multiple boats being talked about within the same thread. Lewy does mention, what we were calling the EEC relay, later on in that thread.
In that instance, I believe I might have been calling that fusible, separate, wire from the battery box the EEC relay. I realized later on that that was a separate thing, and a source of some issues. There is a retrofit that gets rid or that fused wire from the battery box to the engine. As far as the actual EEC relay, I believe that it is one of the two, frequently replaced, relays. One is for the fuel pumps and one is for the engine computer. Sorry for so much confusion, I just try to follow it the best I can myself. Your best bet is to start a new thread, under the engine heading, and include GT-40 in the subject. If you want, you link back to your new thread from here. You'll likely catch the eye of the GT-40 experts. |
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workky
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Hey i was just reading this because i was having the same issue, I thought he said it was the idle air control motor that he replaced to fix this issue, not the EEC, of course i have no idea what the EEC relay is |
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Bri892001
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Fuel pumps not priming/no start caused by three separate items.
-Potentially defective lanyard -Low pressure fuel pump -Wires pulled lose inside of Fuel Control Cell (High Pressure Pump) during filter change. As described here: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38636&PN=1&title=gt40-fuel-pumps-inoperative Updated spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VemuIOaa9i8kEply-ZmFOSyjyzz8rd7B0WEuIT_6S0/edit?usp=sharing |
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Bri892001
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No fuel pumps and no spark (no start) fixed by replacing the fuse in the battery box fuse holder. This is a boat that had no been retrofitted with the fuse elimination:
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38652&PN=1&title=efi-gt40-help-and-opinions Added to next to spreadsheet: Fused Line in Batt Box For EEC Power Updated Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VemuIOaa9i8kEply-ZmFOSyjyzz8rd7B0WEuIT_6S0/edit?usp=sharing |
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Gary S
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Tim is correct, '95 Correct Crafts did not have a FCC. In talking to a PCM rep I was under the assumption that the low pressure pumps were added to help cure the problem as he was telling me how hard it was installing them. I wonder if there was a recall to add them to early boats? My low pressure pump does not have a plug but instead is hard wired with shrink wrap crimp fittings. Knock on wood I have never experienced it. I wonder with the larger engine compartment and venting that a V Drive does not have the same trouble?
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TRBenj
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Sounds like vapor lock, the early gt40's were prone to this, IIRC. I had a 502
Merc that would act similarly if left to sit for a few hours after running hard. believe a '95 predates the FCC, and adding one may be the solution. |
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Keuka 95 GT40
Newbie Joined: July-22-2014 Location: Penn Yan NY Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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Hi EJ - We have a '95 Nautique GT40 that experienced similar problems last summer. Did you resolve your issues ? Our boat starts and runs great under most conditions but we regularly see hesitation, missing, rough idle on hot days. We could pull a few skiers just fine but by the 3rd or 4th skier (or if the boat sat at dock for an hour after use) then we would regularly experience rough idle,missing and hesitation during the hole shot.
Any thoughts ? |
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Bri892001
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Re-fastening PIP, on stator hall effect sensor, fixes miss or hiccup at speed:
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37989&title=gt40-experts-required "Give the stator (PIP hall effect sensor) assembly a twist and see if it moves the plastic gets brittle and breaks down over time." Updated Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VemuIOaa9i8kEply-ZmFOSyjyzz8rd7B0WEuIT_6S0/edit?usp=sharing |
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Bri892001
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If possible, please start a new thread to hash out the individual GT-40 issues. Include "GT-40" in the title of your new thread so people know to weigh in.
I'd like to keep this thread as a place to post the results and the links back to the full thread. Working out the individual problems here will ultimately make this thread too messy to read through. |
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Luchog
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tryathlete
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Maybe pull one wire at a time at 2000 rpm to see if running changes at all. If you pull one and nothing changes that's a bad wire. Reply to EJNautique
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2008 MasterCraft 197TT
1996 Nautique Super Sport 1988 Waterlogged Supra Mariah |
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tryathlete
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Sorry it took so long to answer. Yes. Replacing the LPP fixed it
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2008 MasterCraft 197TT
1996 Nautique Super Sport 1988 Waterlogged Supra Mariah |
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Bri892001
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That's something I could do if people posted those cross referenced part numbers. I'd have to look at it closer, but I could either add a column to what I have, or maybe a new tab in the workbook, with a spreadsheet just for that.
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Luchog
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Hi, been searching for some cross reference on parts since many are not marine specific and might be easier to find with automotive numbers. maybe we could come up with a chart ofr parts references.
Such as: TFI is already loaded E-Coil Distributor stator IAC I think it could be usefull |
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ejnautique
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Yes, spark advance was adjusted, which improved the performance. I am still left with a noticable hesistation and rough running at around 2k rpm. Cap and rotor were replaced. New spark plug wires too. Appreciate any thoughts on causes.
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tryathlete
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EJ. Did you set the ignition timing properly after replacement? Insufficient initial timing advance could caus your hesitation. Assume you replaced cap/rotor at time of distributor too.
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2008 MasterCraft 197TT
1996 Nautique Super Sport 1988 Waterlogged Supra Mariah |
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tryathlete
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New ignition switch solves mysterious starter engagement when shifting into neutral
On approach to dock. |
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2008 MasterCraft 197TT
1996 Nautique Super Sport 1988 Waterlogged Supra Mariah |
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tryathlete
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Now that I've had a trouble free month I can clearly say the low pressure pump was the problem.
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2008 MasterCraft 197TT
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ejnautique
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Sorry, just getting back to my previous post. It turned out to be electrical. Replaced the distributor and spark plug wires. I still have a slight hesitation at 2k RPM, but it is running much better. Top end speed has gone down a few MPH too. Any ideas on remaining issues
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rrichr
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Single click when starting and your battery if fine... solenoid needs replacement. There are 2 of them... one on the starter and one behind the PCM board...
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tnplicky
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It was another relay issue. Apparently one of the "new" relays went bad.
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tnplicky
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I was/am having a starting issue, but now my main issue is getting the engine to stop.
Has anyone had this problem? GT40 Pro Boss Engine Starting - Stopping Issues |
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Bri892001
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Thanks Lewy,
I've heard of that retrofit before, but that was somehow the first time it's been documented on this thread. I've corrected my post and the spreadsheet. |
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lewy2001
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Brian that is the fuse in the battery box for the EEC power not fuel pumps. It is the known problem that PCM released a EEC Power Retrofit to remove.
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Bri892001
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Thanks for the input Tim. I logged your 30 amp inline fuse fix in the spreadsheet under:
EDIT: Per Lewy's correction below I have now added a new row to the spreadsheet and put the entry under: Fused Line in Batt Box for EEC Power Updated spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VemuIOaa9i8kEply-ZmFOSyjyzz8rd7B0WEuIT_6S0/edit?usp=sharing |
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98AirBoat
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98 Air-Nautique GT-40 runs great for several hours, turn to pickup wake boarder when the engine dies as if the lanyard was pulled. Lanyard was on and engine would crank with no fire. Towed back by a 25HP pontoon at 3mph. Fix was a 30 amp inline fuse in the battery box on the small red wire. Was the second thing I checked thanks to these forums....
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