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SNobsessed
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Jason - I suggest reading the owners manual that can be found in the reference section of the site. It gives very good directions. You didn't mention draining the U-pipe, don't miss that!
I don't have a shower or heater but would suggest blowing them out with air & then getting AF poured in those too. Some guys have had leaking heater cores. |
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Crandonskier
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I just bought my first ski nautique and have started the winterizing process. I have owned outboards before, but never an inboard. I have removed the drains plugs on each side of the block and both plugs on the exaust manifold. Additionally, I have removed cold hose to the shower which also opened the line to the water pump on the front of the engine. How do I get the water out of the heater? I have also read the posts that say to pour anti-freeze back in. Do I pour the anti-freeze back into the block from the drain plugs or does it have to be pumped in with some special tool?
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gun-driver
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Tim,
I do drain the block so it doesn't get too diluted but that's about it. It isn't really more work as I use this time as the motor warm-up to change the oil. Plus this way I'm sure there isn't any pockets of water left in my heater/shower lines. The contraption is simply a PVC elbo with a piece of pipe and some 1" flex hose at a couple cents a foot. I disconnect the strainer stick the flex hose on fill it with A/F start the boat and go get a beer. |
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TRBenj
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Do you drain everything first? If not, youre taking a dangerous shortcut. If you do, then I still think youre doing more work than needed. Anything beyond draining properly is just a bonus- I cant see how pouring in is being any less complete vs. arranging the contraption you have pictured above. If youre worried about how well youre draining, see my comment above! Being thorough (or anal) is one thing (and Ive been called both many times). But adding extra, inefficient work for no reason at all is another. Just my 2 cents! |
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gun-driver
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For me I don't feel it's that big of a hassle to run the A/F through. It also makes me feel better and that I got it through the heater, shower and anywhere else it may go.
But that's just me being anal which I tend to be with my toy's. |
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8122pbrainard
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Agree but Tim the debate will go on long after I'm 6' under! Yes, what ever happened to our -100 member?? Maybe he didn't follow OSHA PEL guidelines and inhaled too much of the -100?? |
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TRBenj
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No comment on the BBC v-drive, as Ive no experience there... but its really easy to pour in on an Interceptor/Conquerer. Just pour it in the (big) hose attached to the circ pump. |
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Riley
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West Marine has the special stuff on sale this month, $8.99/gal after rebate.
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WakeSlayer
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Ahh yes. The annual thread....
I kept looking for the -100* stuff this year. Still cannot find it. Back to the pink stuff (up front) I still do not agree about pouring it in vs. sucking it in, in my case. You aren't pouring it in on a BBC in a Vdrive. And the stat on the 289 is vertical. It's is just easier to draw in it from a bucket on both these crafts. |
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eric lavine
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that of course is with green antifreeze, the 50/50 thing
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Tim D
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My Air Nautique owner's manual. "Fill engine with a solution of 50% antifreeze. This helps prevent drying out the seals and gaskets, preventing the formation of hard dry scale in the water jackets and prevents freezing damage due to isolated pockets of trapped water that remains in the block."
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eric lavine
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im more of a pink in the front kinda guy Adam
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adamt
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Good philosophy for life |
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8122pbrainard
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not given, No it's not but it's an "insurance" policy. BTW, the on site search feature is great. If you searched, you would have come up with the answers!! If you care to, at least add your first name to your profile. If you stick with us, (please do) you will find most do go by first names on CCfan. Then, I won't have to call you "not given" Tell us more about the boat and yourself. Also, make sure you have all the info needed for Keith to enter you in the diaries section!! |
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waker319
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great, thanks!!
is it necessary to add anti-freeze tho? if so, which type? |
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TRBenj
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The manual is actually a great reference. Winterization thread with pictures |
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SNobsessed
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The manual is best & easiest way. 5 plugs to drain: 2 on block, 2 on manifold, 1 on elbow at front of engine.
Pull hoses off of Oil cooler & RWP, let them drain too. Pour AF into hose that leads to engine. Your done. |
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eric lavine
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darn it!
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BuffaloBFN
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The year before I did my engine, I looked into having it done by a shop...all across town they were backed up with frozen engines. |
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eric lavine
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I average 3 to 5 cracked engines a year, these are the guys that dont do anything at all to winterize, i dont get, do they forget?
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8122pbrainard
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Agreed. |
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TRBenj
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So long as you drain everything properly, you'll have all the freeze protection you need- at any temperature. You can probably skip the blankets. |
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waker319
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i live in central california and temperature hardly gets in the 40s high 30s at night.. i was thinking about just draining the block and exhaust and dont add anything.... is that a bad idea? boat is under a carport with a cover on, i plan on throwing some blankets over the engine to keep it warmer... what do you guys say?
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watrski
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Amazing.
You guys can argue about this subject for years! |
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eric lavine
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Pete, the arsenic makes you irratible, lol yes, some i never antifreeze and im going into my, sht dont even know 15 ish year of doing the boat the same ways.
really, normal procedure for me is, fire until it runs smoothly,turn off, drain block and manifolds, and suck in 2 gallons of RZ AF, thermostat does not need to be open, when i see pink out the back im good to go. pretty damn good track record with this method 0/1000 the 200.00 deluxe package includes AF, the rest simply get drained, one thing i do is lift and lower the tongue of the trailer to insure the water is out |
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8122pbrainard
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Just drain the damn block and pour in the antifreeze!!!!! How much simpler can that be?? Actually just draining like many do is simpler! It's been done for years and still is. I believe Eric still does it for certain customers who do not want to go to the added expense of the antifreeze treatment. Way back when I was at Watercraft in the late 60's - early 70's, draining only was common practice. It wasn't until cooling systems got more complicated that we started using extra protection with the antifreeze. Still, it was drain and pour!!!
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TRBenj
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Correct! |
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TRBenj
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Youre correct. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you drained the block first before sucking up the a/f. Like was pointed out, you dont want to dilute marine/rv antifreeze with water at all. If using conventional (green) a/f, then it needs to be mixed at a specific ratio (fairly close to 1:1) for it to give effective freeze protection. There is no way to verify that you have the proper ratio unless you fill and recycle for quite a while to ensure uniformity, and then you must test the mixture. Seems overly complicated and painful. Why not just drain first?
Again, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you drained the water first. Regardless, there is no harm in introducing cold water to a warm engine. It happens every time your thermostat opens. |
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lank
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At the risk of confusing things more...... Does it matter that my engine has the dual pocket Sherwood pump? This boat is my first inboard so I'm obviously learning how the plumbing works... but from some of the manuals I've found it seems some of the Chryslers had two seperate pumps - one pulling in raw water and another circulating it within the block. Is that true or am I misunderstanding? Regardless it seems that running on the hose to fog, then draining all points and filling with AF is the preferred approach?
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