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79nautique
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jimbo
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My thinking is the exhaust gas leaking into the engine compartment is getting sucked back into the engine and it's not getting enough air. Try running with the hatch open or removed and see if it helps. Just be careful (make sure nothing can fly into the turning belts).
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travbo24
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I don't have a timing light...I'll have to find one to borrow. I can have the stripped bolt repaired in time, but I want to get it running right first. Funny you ask about the exhaust...there is a broken exhaust manifold gasket on one side clicking away. I didn't figure that would have anything to do with the performance...just annoying.
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jimbo
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Do you have a timing light? I'd check the timing at idle and around 3500 rpms. That stripped bolt is going to be a problem but I don't think it's the problem.
Unfortunately i don't know enough about your fuel system to be of much help. Is there any chance you've got an exhaust leak? |
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travbo24
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I certainly think it's a fuel problem. I changed the fuel filter and added some Seafoam...then headed back out to the lake this evening. Still have the same problem. Running about 3300 RPM and 35-36 MPH. The last 3-4" of the throttle do nothing in gear. In neutral, the motor will rev up to 5000 RPM but won't hold it...it cuts down to about 3000. In gear, it won't do any better than 3300 RPM. I'm not concerned about the prop because of the way it acts in neutral. I've tried adjusting the Holley fuel injection but no solution. I'm stumped.
I did find one bolt of the 4 that attach the throttle body to the intake...it seems to be stripped out. Would that one bolt cause enough air draw to cause this problem? I'm running out of ideas. |
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anthonylizardi
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Are you sure? I believe I had 1442 which is close and my boat was a hog. It ran fine but it didn't pass 3600rpm. I don't know anything about prop. It was your recomendation to buy the 540 which I am really happy with it.
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TRBenj
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Im not sure if the prop is optimal, but the speed vs. RPM is pretty close to 1:1, so its in the ballpark. I think he has other problems- most likely fuel related.
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anthonylizardi
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That prop doesn't sound correct. I have an 87 1:1 transmission. I have 3 blade, 13" prop. Is an ACME 540. When I got my boat I had a 4 blade but it was the wrong size and would not rev more than 3600rpm. Let's see what the pros said.
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travbo24
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Okay,
I changed all the plugs to Autolite 24's gapped at .035, and I replaced the cap & rotor. I also realized that there was an adjustment on the fuel injection control module that was a ways off from the notes of the PO. With all that changed, I headed out to the lake today. I still topped out at 36 mph turning about 3400 RPM. When the boat is in neutral, it will rev up to 4-5,000 RPM, but not under load. It also will bog down at times in neutral...only revving all the way up every 2nd or 3rd rev. Acceleration out of the hole doesn't seem too great either. Could it simply be a little water in the gas or a clogged fuel filter? I'm thinking of changing the filter out tonight. Any further advice is appreciated. Thanks!! Travis |
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jimbo
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I'd start with a Spring tune up (new plugs, wires if they look old, new cap and rotor, new fuel filter). Run the tank down then fill it up with fresh fuel and a can of Sea Foam. (Actually, run the tank down, then replace the fuel filter).
When you pull the plugs, look for anything unusual. I'd also recommend a new impeller, oil change and transmission fluid change. These won't help the speed but it's a good idea to start out the season. See what happens then. If it's still sluggish, dig deeper. I don't know anything about the Pro-Injection System but the electronic ignition conversion converts the distributor from points to electronic ignition. I wouldn't worry about it. Modern engines use electronic ignition to "tell" the plugs to fire. Older engines used points. Not a bad thing but you had to keep them adjusted, file the points down and check the gap--a lot of people, including myself, consider it a pain. |
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travbo24
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Hi guys,
It's always a learning process with a used boat like this. I'm gradually learning what has been done to the boat. The PO seemed pretty meticulous, and kept all the OEM parts. I have them in a box. There is a control module for the fuel injection and I have the manual for it...maybe it just needs some adjustment or something. As far as numbers, I was only getting about 3700 RPM out of it yesterday...about 1:1 with the MPH as I think it probably should be. I'm still wondering if I might have a plug fouled with fogging oil or something simple. The boat seemed to run fine when I bought it just before winter. The prop on the boat is a OJ Stainless 4-blade...it reads OJ 102 on the side and has a 13 stamped on the hub. The spare prop is a OJ 4-blade 13x13...same? I don't know chesslove...but may try to look him up. Thanks!! |
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eric lavine
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chessloves is from Lawrence, you know him? the most important info you can come up with at this point is your Wide open throttle (all she has) and post, look at the prop and post those numbers also...alot of guys will spin them up to 5400 and get 35 mph, under propped or the opposite. you may have to much prop and no power to turn it....thats why its important to list your WOT, im sure most will agree. first things first, determine if it is a prop issue or a power issue
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BuffaloBFN
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Along with what Pete said, it also sounds like the timing could be off. I'm basing that on carb symptoms though...not injection.
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8122pbrainard
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Travis,
Sounds like you have a problem due to the PO's thinking his "upgrades" were a sound idea. Is the Holley even "marine" rated? I wish I could help. The best I can do is recommend you find someone that may know something about that Holley system. Remembering back to previous threads, I believe 3 have tried the Holley and I know two pulled them off and went back to a carb. What WOT RPM's are you turning up? What prop is on the boat? Can you get in touch with the PO and get the OEM parts back? |
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travbo24
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Hi all,
This is my first inboard, and I know they are not built for speed. I'm concerned about my boat, though. We had it out for the first time today and it would only top out at 36-37 mph. I was expecting at least 40-42. Can anyone chime in with what speeds this boat should be running? 36 doesn't seem right, and it took it a little while to get there. I kept getting a random pop now and then from the exhaust like maybe there was a miss. Once it warmed up, it also became a little stubborn about starting. I'm not quite sure where to start. Should I change the plugs and do a little tune-up? Or is it more likely a fuel problem? The previous owner has added a Holley Pro-jection system and I believe some sort of electronic ignition conversion if that makes any sense. I'm new to these machines...any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!! |
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