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    Posted: July-15-2009 at 6:02pm
This topic has been beat into the ground, I am sure, but here we go.

When I bought my '01 last year, the teak deck was faded, and I decided to try something different (learned on this forum) to restore the look of my sweet deck: Teak Guard. This is not an oil but a system that really brings out the color (like honey) and lustre of the wood. Only trouble is it scratches. It doesn't flake like varnish, but it comes off where people used the deck to put skis and boards on. You have to really refinish it entirely to get the "scratched" look out.

So this year I removed all the Teak Guard, did a light sand, and put about 5 coats of teak oil, just like I did with my '95. Every time I get off the water, the deck looks as dry and bleached as it did before I put the oil on. I have recoated it after every time I go out, and still it looks like crap!

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So did you let the oil to completely penetrate the wood between each coat? or you just apply one over it in the same moment.. There are many threads on the subject..I did mine and applied almost 6 coats within 10 days I had it home.. first coast will dry out within hours, last coat I let it sit for some days and the oil was still shinny on the surface... I used some teak cleaner (citric base?) and rub the wood before putting the oil. Also I sanded with 200 and 400 paper before each coat....
this is how it turned out...
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No doubt your deck looks great. I did allow some time between coats, but not days. How does it look after a day or two on the water?
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this is how it looks then in the water.. note that my boat is dry kept, in an boat facilty. I will be in water only while i use it..


wet its even better than in the other picture I posted!!!
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Starbrite makes a teak SEALER. I used the light formula and it is holding up very well.
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I'll look into the Starbrite. Thx!
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Hey LakeBoy. I'd also recomend Starbrite. It seems to wear pretty well. One thing that I have noticed (just a theory though...) If you use too fine of a grit sandpaper to smooth the teak before oiling it, it seems to close up the pores and the oil doesn't penetrate as good. I only go to 250 grit at most before oiling now. Just a thought... I wonder if all of the sanding to get the last stuff off clogged up the pores also.

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Good thought on the sanding. I didn't go very fine, maybe 120 grit as the finest. Could have even been 80 grit. I sanded it to get rid of the bleached wood. I know sanding is not recommnended for the exact reasons you stated. I have heard of people using bronze wool of bronze brushes. Something to think about. I wonder if there is a way to sand it, then clean the pores somehow.
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wire brush that sucker before the oil, use a wire brush vigorously while running water on it...let dry apply oil, let sit...ski.

Don't stress on how teak looks while dry...it's usually wet anyway.

over on wakeworld they have threads lasting forever and even suggest you spray bedliner on your teak

I only wire brush, never sand it(it's not living room furniture!) I've seen overly sanded platforms become dangerously slippery, your platform should be rough enough to provide some traction for wet bare feet. keep it grippy/functional.

of course this is just my opinion. but there will be no tea parties held on my swim platform. Nor will I win the award for prettiest swim platform.

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Agreed, its only an platform. I love the way my SN looks, and the dried out, bleached platform makes me grumpy. I bought some Starbrite and some cleaner, I will wirebrush, clean, then apply the teak sealer and see what happens. I am sure it will look sweet when applied, the test will be how will it look on Monday after a weekend of footin'!
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Just keep it wet
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I put on the Natural Finish Starbright Sealer and I was unhappy with the color. It was like a mustard color. It seals it but it looks yellowish. I was kicking myself for putting it on. This was after I used the Star Brite three step system over a process of several weeks. The wood looked great until I put on the Starbright Natural Sealer. However, it has heldup well this summer.

I now have seen that SEMCO makes a clear (SEMCO TEAK SEALER) and I will try it this winter. I am hearing that it is real hard to remove the old sealer once it is put on. I also saw some Sealer Stripper ( SEMCO Teak CLeaner - 2 Part) in the Jamestown Distributors Catelog. I have heard of people having to use Castic Soda to remove the old sealer. I will not sand it off. The Semco Cleaner is what I am going to try.

If you sand to deep, it will expose the screws.

Go to www.jamestowndistributors.com, 1-800-423-0030.

They are are a Wooden Boat Builders Supply Company.

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clean with amazon teak cleaner with a medium brush and then apply amazon teak oil as kapla describes above. it will last a long time.
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I ended up going the Starbrite route. A light sand, enough to get rid of the beached look, Starbrite Teak cleaner, and Starbrite Tropical Teak Sealer, light color. 60 bucks all told at West marine.

It looks really sweet as you can see. I will let you know how it holds up this season.



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looks like new
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Starbrite teak oil seems to last longer than any oil I've tried, but it still won't get me through the season. This year I tried Starbrite Tropical Teak Sealer. It has held up better, but still comes off on each side where we set the hydrofoils. I wasn't crazy about the color, its brown and most teak seams to have more red in it. The middle of the platform still looks good after 90 hrs, and people comment about it often, so I guess the color isn't as far off as I think.

I'm going to put a couple of coats of oil on it next year and then the sealer to see if I can get the color a little more to my liking.
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sweet....that looks great!!!
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OK. so I thought I would close the loop on this one. Pictured below is my teak deck after about 3 months of use after being treated with Starbrite. I had it in the water 2-3 days per week, sometimes docked a couple days in a row. I think it wore pretty well. it did better than the teal oil and better than "Teakgard" brand.

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Originally posted by ripster92 ripster92 wrote:

Hey LakeBoy. I'd also recomend Starbrite. It seems to wear pretty well. One thing that I have noticed (just a theory though...) If you use too fine of a grit sandpaper to smooth the teak before oiling it, it seems to close up the pores and the oil doesn't penetrate as good. I only go to 250 grit at most before oiling now. Just a thought... I wonder if all of the sanding to get the last stuff off clogged up the pores also.

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BTW, Starbrite does recommend use of their teak cleaner if you sand the deck so as to clean out the pores of the wood. I used it and it really does de-gunk the wood. I had some blackened teak on some lawm furniture which I cleaned with the Starbrite cleaner, then treated the wood with Starbrite and the results were good.
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As much as you use the boat, that's pretty good.

I use the Amazon oil. Get a lot of comments/compliments on how good the platform looks. FWIW.

When are you going to make it down to Discovery Bay? I could hook you up for a barefoot run at Diablo Shores as well.

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I've got a good portion of a 1/2 gallon of Teak Guard if anyone wants to try it. IMO, it sucks. Totally different product than teak oil. It is water based and is a coating rather than a penetrating oil.

I moor my boat for at least July and August. While I can make the platform look like new and beautiful, it only lasts at the most 3 weeks. I have tried all kinds of products, but none last longer than that when exposed 24/7. I have come to appreciate the beautiful weathered grey look. It is also not slippery. I do clean it and oil it when we pull the boat, and come June oil it again, but for the most part it is grey, except for when the ducks oil it for me during the summer.
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I use a product called Sea-fin. Once you ge the teack looking great, you can actually just quickly apply a small amount in the areas that are scuffed, if you want to. Works really well.

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Originally posted by bkhallpass bkhallpass wrote:

As much as you use the boat, that's pretty good.

I use the Amazon oil. Get a lot of comments/compliments on how good the platform looks. FWIW.

When are you going to make it down to Discovery Bay? I could hook you up for a barefoot run at Diablo Shores as well.

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Anytime, BKH. I'll take you up on footin' anytime, any place, really. I skied Diablo Shores last year at Thanksgiving. Nice site! Do you live at Discovery Bay?
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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

I've got a good portion of a 1/2 gallon of Teak Guard if anyone wants to try it. IMO, it sucks. Totally different product than teak oil. It is water based and is a coating rather than a penetrating oil.

I moor my boat for at least July and August. While I can make the platform look like new and beautiful, it only lasts at the most 3 weeks. I have tried all kinds of products, but none last longer than that when exposed 24/7. I have come to appreciate the beautiful weathered grey look. It is also not slippery. I do clean it and oil it when we pull the boat, and come June oil it again, but for the most part it is grey, except for when the ducks oil it for me during the summer.


I had better luck with Teak Guard than you did. My complaint is it would "scratch" where skis/boards came in contact with it. And the bummer was you couldn't touch it up. You would need to strip it then re-apply.

I have not used Amazon oil. The standard teak oils did not work for me. Maybe I didn't do it right.
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Yes, I live in Discovery Bay, full time. At least when not on business travel.

A good friend is one of 7 who live on Diablo Shores. He's pretty much extended an open invitation. BKH
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Yes, I know Rich P....and Andy D and Jerry K so we are on the open invitation too...Whenever we ski with Andy usually Rich would come out with little Richie. It's the 60 miles one way that gets in the way...I am going after a CA DFG Game Warden job and my assignment for 2011-2014 will be Livermore so I will be hitting up the south Delta, Orwood, Secret Slough, and Diablo Shores alot more in the future.


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There is a pretty serious core that barefoot out of Disco Bay. These guys go out 3-4 times a week in good weather. A coupla guys named Mark, Chris, Brian and Jeff. I skied with them about 3 times. Tough to break into their rotation they have, but real good footers.

I would do that drive without really thinking about it. I live in Roseville which is another 20 mi. on top of Andy's drive. Plus if all works out for Andy I will be out a barefoot coach starting January. (I can't get too pissed at Andy, though, BUT I WANT TO!!!! LOL...) I must feed the addiction, I must.
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you're just going to have to ski with Willie without me running interference...plus all the other footers I've got you in touch with AND you will be makin the 80 mile drive down to the south end of the delta to ski with me...no worries Dude
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Are you moving to DB Andy?

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There was a thread here a year or so ago about a mastercraft guy that had perfected some elaborate process for re-doing his teak deck. It was something like a 16-18 hour process all told. Claimed that it required only light maintenance for a long period after that. If I can find it I will post it.
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