Correct Craft today

Sorry for the shotgun effect there Mike ..... that was aimed directly at Nautiquehunter......Boat dr

Nautiquehunter wrote: . I have been boating for 25 years. I must admit my ignorance of the CC history. If they want to get into a different market I don't think they should try to add it to the high end line.

Mike we accept the ignorance part,But laying off workers, and going to a two day work week must be a marketing ploy to maintain that #1 status you speak of.
Part of the reason they are in this mess now is they forgot where they came from. Here in the South we call it forgetting where your "ROOTS ARE"
Is this what we are seeing with CC and we all will watch the big tree die ,as it starves to death on the vine..........

Does anyone know of a person who has restored a Bayliner? I don't! They go to the landfill.

you guy's fail to mention that some of the bling/bling boats are 100k, CC grew too fast ....dog and pony shows dont impress me. it took the old man 50 years to get where he was at

Malibu had a great entry level boat, the Sportster and they priced it out of the market. It was a nice boat, barebones, but not cheap by any standards. They competed with all the low priced boats. Seems like a lot of people that bought them traded up to a bigger/better Malibu after a few years. It got people into Malibu line. In 2003 they were $24k, 3 years later in their last year they were $30k. Apparently, they didn't think there was enough profit in them and cancelled it. Maybe you got to make a certain amount on a boat to stay in business.

I got to wonder though, what if they took an old Mustang or Ski Tique mold, if they still have them, and made a basic 16' Mustang with a 235 hp 4.3. Why couldn't you make a boat like that and price it under $20k?

8122pbrainard wrote: Does anyone know of a person who has restored a Bayliner? I don't! They go to the landfill.

Bayliner to boats is like KIA is to cars they don't build classics just basic low cost entry level products. They have a market they serve and do a pretty good job in it. You cant compare a top line product to a low line and expect a fair result. I think Bayliner builds a good boat FOR THE MONEY. If they didn't they wouldn't be in business. They are not competing with CC like Chaparral and Cobalt are.

05 210 wrote: I guess I'll jump into this one head first.      First of all, All you guys on this site that own classic boats have a great piece of boating history. One day, I will trade in the "bling boat" for a classic. Those old boats look absolutely beautiful,sound great,and are bare bones performance packages that remind me of an old musclecar.      I own the boat I own for various reasons,and being a "newer boat owner on this site I expect a few jabs here and there about "bling". Whatever.      Anyhow, it is obvious from a marketing standpoint that CC has been building what they believe people want,reguardless of whether or not some of us agree. While it looks like unfortunately for them they may be in for some rough times due to overinflation of markets/housing/boats or whathaveyou ,ask yourself this question......    Honestly (and I mean HONESTLY) if CC built a base model equivelent to an older hull with similar options and priced it according to TODAYS value of the dollar,todays cost of materials/labor,etc, how many people from this site or any other for that matter are actually going to run right out and buy one? My guess is very few, if any. No offense to anyone,that's just the way I see it.    Flame Away    Mike

Mike, for the record, I agree 100%. With the quality parts and construction that CC uses, I would think that a new "no frills" 16-17' Mustang or Barracuda would still be pushing the $30k mark. I know I wouldnt buy one- Ill stick with a true classic!

phatsat67 wrote: So mike. People are going to be more apt to buy a cheaper version of a boat they already make that one thats expensive. It wouldnt take any money other than some time going into lesser options on boats that are already produced.

Phats, CC has tried this in the past. Look at the Ski Nautique "Standard" offered in '93-94 or the 176, which was sold from '96-99. I dont have sales numbers to back it up, but I suspect that if those models had been considered successful, they would have continued making them. Ive heard the question asked many times why CC doesnt offer a price point boat- the response from CC has always been that if you wanted a cheaper Nautique, then buy a used one. We all know that theyre built to last and still perform great!

Like has been said, lots of boat makers are struggling right now. Boating is a luxury, and luxuries get cut first when times are tight. I dont know nearly enough about the industry or the market to know whether a pricepoint boat would be the answer to Correct Craft's problems. I just hope that whoever is running the company is able to get it through these tough times, and that they still continue to make the dedicated SKI boat (196) for years to come.

anthonylizardi wrote: I think quality is achievable at all markets levels and why CC can market a base base at a lower price. Quality doesn't mean quantity or more bling. Look at Toyota, top line Lexus, mid tier Toyota, bottom line Scion. All three brands have excellent quality and only the features changes. Then, why not. I liked the idea of being able to buy boat I can pay in 4 years. Then if is an excellent boat I can keep upgrading as money allows or trade in. But I bet that would have a negative impact on the brand price. Selling a basic model might affect the high end perception of brand. Just some random thoughts...

Anthony that is what I am saying CC can make a retro comp boat at a price point. I just don't like the idea of tagging it CC or Nautique Names known for top quality and ground breaking designing You will never see a Toyota dealer selling Lexus.

Hollywood wrote:

WOW that is quite a demeaning picture.
I have never owned a Bayliner but I have known people who have. They are mostly 1st time owners or on the lower end of income.
I do take exception to all the bashing why not pick on somebody your own size[MC]? The point of boating is to have FUN not to build your ego be slamming a lesser brand. Iv seen this before at the other top boat builder.I didn't like then either. Why not go and kick a puppy or beat up a nerd. You guys are at the top of the food chain don't lower yourself to this level I consider myself fortunate to be able to get Nautique I don't look down on others less fortunate.

Riley wrote: Hopefully, they won't go the way of Century. They got bought out by someone who was mostly interested in posing in the brochure photos and he ran the company into the ground, and now they make center consoles. Nautiquehunter, it is a funny picture. Don't take it so seriously.

I couldn't imagine what would be said if somebody did that to a CC I don't think it would be so funny.

I've had one member here say a lot worse things to me about my Malibus, and I thought it was pretty funny.

   Nautiquehunter,

   Occassionally things pop up on here like the garbage boat pic. That happens on every boat site at some point. This is a great group of guys , don't take it too seriously.

   P.S. I want a pull behind your new boat

   Mike

I don't quite understand why they can't make a new classic and sell for a hefty profit for $25K or under?

I would buy a new 78SN for $25K in a heart beat, especially if it did not have the one major flaw of the original (wood stringers).

I would guess based on the popularity of the 2001 model -- even more of those would sell.

Manufacture costs for building a new 'old SN' would have to be under $10K?

I say it is about time to make a new 16 - 18 footer (even a SNOB model -- also popular based on resale/ used market). It sounds like a great idea!! Corner the market on guys looking for a new 'classic', corner the market on those first time buyers looking for a dependable new boat made by a quality company for a reasonable price, adjust to the current world we are living in before you burry yourself (one overpriced gold shovel full at a time).

Really what is the cost of a fiberglass hull when produced in large quantity? ?? Any ideas?

Throw in a nice Chevy 350 (after all it is the one upgrade worth the $). Add the basic analog gauges (you know ones that still work after 30 years!!), an upgraded interior, and some mechanicals. What could that really cost? Make a tower and PP, and a nice stereo the available options. As people realize that you can't (don't need to keep up with the Jones') in this sort of market, then they are going to reevaluate what they really desire/ 'need' and can afford.


If you bought an old SN, did a full stringer job, new gel coat, repowered with a new 350, and replaced all of the mechanicals you could do it all for under $12K, maybe less (and that includes buying the original piece O junk that you start with.

If CC doesn't start to make some quick adjustments to the current market, all of our boats are going to be even more 'classic'.

Mojo wrote: Poll: If you had the chance to buy a new, "woodless" classic Cuda/Mustang/Classic/Barefoot, with all the other modern running gear, electronics etc. for $25,000, would you????. Moj'

No. For the same reason I would not go out and buy a modern Dodge Challenger,Charger or any other reproduction of some classic iron.For starters,with todays standards,it most likely would have to be quiet,which does absolutley nothing for me when it comes to that era of boat.It just wouldn't be the same.

Mike