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    Posted: September-30-2008 at 5:25pm
Why douglas fir for new stringers? Any different opinions?
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It's been used for years because it's strength to weight ratio is great. It's also pretty stable with proper drying and maintaining a consistent moisture content. Available in long clear lengths and pretty easy to work with.

Before the Doug Fir, Sitka Spruce was used and is even better but now, it would be hard to find. (you would need to go to Siberia!) White oak is too heavy. Cedar isn't clear enough. Yellow pine has the strength but it's rot resistance is poor. So, the alternate would be a composite. Have you seen Joe's (JoeinNY) thread?


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OMG...I've looked at so many threads and other sites regarding the "why" douglas pine and I suppose it's made me dizzy. I'm having a very hard time finding it. I called a local boat repair co. and he suggested treated? Doesn't sound good to me. Where there's a will, there's a way, I hope.
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Thank you for getting straight to the point on the "why". And thank you for adding comparisons.
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I'm in Maine and my local lumber yard can get it in all kinds of sizes. Don't see why PA would be any different. Try a local lumber yard, not HD or Lowes. It's not cheap. 1x6 is $3.47/foot.
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Originally posted by sanity sanity wrote:

I called a local boat repair co. and he suggested treated? Doesn't sound good to me.


PLEASE post the name of this boat repair company so no one here takes a boat to them. They must be smoking something in the back room!! I'm glad you caught on that treated is bad. The chemicals will screw up the bond with the epoxy resin.

What part of the country do you live in. Doug Fir (not pine like you mentioned) can be hard to get in some parts - it comes out of the Pacific northwest. Greg, (BuffaloBFN) of the "pumpkin Patch" fame, is in Atlanta and he found it.

Edit: I just noticed you're in PA!! Take Bruce's (Riley) advice.


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It's worth looking for someone that has it in stock. If you special order it you are likely to be stuck with what comes in. As mentioned above, look for the largest lumber yard in your area. If they don't have it, they can usually point you in the right direction.
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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

As mentioned above, look for the largest lumber yard in your area.


I just want to reinforce/clarify Bruce's and Greg's recommendation. A home improvement center is not a lumber yard.


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If you don't have any luck at a decent lumber yard, I have used this site a couple times looking for marine mahogany ply.

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I have tried every lumber yard. Ohio Valley is checking into their suppliers and are calling me back today. I called Baird Brothers located in Canfield, OH and they said I had to purchase a pallet.I work for a construction company and I have called every business that was suggested I call. This has become an obsession now. I'll keep you posted and please give suggestions if you have any other names. Thanks!
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I'll called Phinney Lumber in Gorham, Maine and they can get all types of it, and by the piece. It probably has to go through PA to get to Maine!
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I went to the site that you referenced and found a company "Timber Trails" in Grove City, PA. I left a message. Great site! I am in between Pgh and Grove City. Again, I'll keep you updated!
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Thanks, Riley! The train probably goes right by me here on the river.
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I found Douglas Fir! The guy from Grove City called back. Now I have a few more questions.
He said it was antique wood. He asked if I wanted clear or select and he said it goes down from there.He asked which way I would prefer the grain to go. Price-wise, I asked for worst case scenerio and he said $7.00 a board foot. Please share your wealth of knowledge with me.
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Michelle,
I'd keep looking! What he has is "reclaimed" wood. Very trendy now for high end interior trim/paneling/molding/etc. They salvage it from old barns and old industrial buildings then resaw and remill it.

A board foot is a volumetric measurement. It's 144 cu. in. so if you had a piece of wood 12" square by 1" thick, that's a board foot. Using the $7 figure,this means that the a 2x6 will be $7 a running foot!!

The fir you want, is common to home construction (the 2x8 joist in your floor) but in some parts of the country other species are used. Keep calling around to the lumber yards.


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Pete,

Two more places have it. West Elizabeth Lumber is out, as they gave me a price of 1717.00 per 2x8x16!

The other place might be a winner. Holt and Bugbee. They are somewhere near Penn State. Their's is kiln dried. They gave a price of 305.50 for 2-2x10x14. They also have the 1x6's.
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OUCH! Even with gas prices you could drive down here for it.

I paid $2.875/bf for 8/4x6x13 and $3.21/bf for 4/4x6(only had grade A in this). The 8/4's were B&C grade but I insisted on picking a bit(they don't always appreciate that).

And since I have the receipt out...
3/4" fir ply-54.95
1/2" fir ply-38.45

This was in march of this year, so some things have changed. Try getting a good measure on length and widths you'll need because you'll pay extra for longer and wider. Also nix the antique and grade A stuff.

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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

OUCH! Even with gas prices you could drive down here for it.

I paid $2.875/bf for 8/4x6x13 and $3.21/bf for 4/4x6



Michelle,

Just to clarify here with Greg's ref. to 8/4 and 4/4 :

8/4 is 2" or 8 - 4ths of a inch which is the rough cut and un dried dimension. (a "2"x)

4/4 is a 1" or 4 - 4th's of a inch. (a "1"x)


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Thanks guys. I like to learn.I'm still looking! Waiting on call backs. I'll keep you updated.
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Try here.

http://www.stockbuildingsupply.com/
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This is where I got my Douglas Fir. They had to order it. Just took a few days.

The Hardwood Store

I ordered two 2x8x16s and two 1x6x14s and
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Found the wood and I'll share that story with you in a bit.

Would you recommend 1/2" or 3/4' doug ply for floor? I am not putting the foam back in.
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Michelle,

The 1/2" will be fine. Just make sure you put the support back in behind the dog house (engine cover). That's a spot that seems to get alot of traffic.


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Michelle,

The 1/2" will be fine. Just make sure you put the support back in behind the dog house (engine cover). That's a spot that seems to get alot of traffic.


or the extra piece in front of the motor box for the ski pylon.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by sanity sanity wrote:

I called a local boat repair co. and he suggested treated? Doesn't sound good to me.


PLEASE post the name of this boat repair company so no one here takes a boat to them. They must be smoking something in the back room!! I'm glad you caught on that treated is bad. The chemicals will screw up the bond with the epoxy resin.

What part of the country do you live in. Doug Fir (not pine like you mentioned) can be hard to get in some parts - it comes out of the Pacific northwest. Greg, (BuffaloBFN) of the "pumpkin Patch" fame, is in Atlanta and he found it.

Edit: I just noticed you're in PA!! Take Bruce's (Riley) advice.


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I went back to the woodfinder site. We have a crew working in Elkridge, MD and I asked the job supervisor if he would bring the lumber home to me. This is going to cost me a few lunches and I'll even throw in a few cases of beer. Well worth it....

The company is World of Hardwoods
pricing:
1x6x12= 2.29 lf
2x8x14= 5.93 lf
1x8x6= 3.22 lf
1x4x12= 1.35 lf
3/4" @ 4x8 marine fir ply FSC A/A = 132.22
1/2" @ 4x8 marine fir ply FSC A/A = 102.31

I also inquired about mahogany for decorative purposes....why not?

The ply sounds a little high compared to what you paid.
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3/4" @ 4x8 marine fir ply FSC A/A = 132.22
1/2" @ 4x8 marine fir ply FSC A/A = 102.31

I also inquired about mahogany for decorative purposes....why not?

The ply sounds a little high compared to what you paid.



Michelle,

The ply is high due to the marine grade. All you need is exterior fir. Same glue, same wood but the specs on the inner plys are looser. The marine grade is typically used for structural strength hence the tighter standards. Exterior is fine for the floor.

Mahogany for decorative purposes? In your house?


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The mahogany is for the dash plate on the Carver.
Although...I did see someone's boat on the cc site that had wood on the side interior.
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If I were to use wood I would go 3/4 under the seats and back to the pylon, and probably on the removable section in the back as well. I dont know which boat your working on but most from the factory have 3/4 over the foam in the front.
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