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Originally posted by dip dip wrote:

I have an 18 gauge, narrow crown pneumatic stapler that is used for cabinetmaking. Is this appropriate for the upholstery?


It could hold upholstery if used at the right air pressure and quantities but I would say it is not appropriate for the following reasons.

1) I use a 3/8" leg staple for boat upholstery, I have never seen narrow crown staples that short.
2) As Pete said their ability to hold vinyl is reduced with the narrower head.
3) If you ever went back to re-upholster again you would hate yourself. They would be a lot harder to remove.
4) The 18 guage staples would be abusive to your seat structures, especialy on removal.
5) You would miss using a perfectly good excuse to buy a new tool.
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Originally posted by dip dip wrote:

I have a question though....I have an 18 gauge, narrow crown pneumatic stapler that is used for cabinetmaking. Is this appropriate for the upholstery? The crown is a little narrower but they're heavier gauge wire.

Darren,
I'd worry about the vinyl pulling through the narrow crown. The only thing boat related I've used my narrow crown for is fastening bunk carpet to the trailers and installing hide-em welt. We do have some upholstery pro's here so maybe they will comment. I'm curious too.


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I've used the following company to purchase staples many times. They're inexpensive and ship very, very quickly.
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I have a question though....I have an 18 gauge, narrow crown pneumatic stapler that is used for cabinetmaking. Is this appropriate for the upholstery? The crown is a little narrower but they're heavier gauge wire.
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Chris, You could probably get by without the tack hammer, useing a lower air setting on staples so they hang out and remove easily of finding an angle with an electric would do essentialy the same thing. I still recommend the professional staple remover. They are slick. The model I use with the two prongs mkes it easy to remove staples that are stuck by onr leg. Just twist them in the two prongs and they come right out rather than having to keep picking up a pliers.
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yes, it does help. Larger photos would be helpful, but I was able to see them pretty well as they are. Looks liek I need ot order a tack hammer and a staple puller still.
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Chris, Did that help? Are the photos too small?
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a thread has been posted in the maintanece section titled upholstery process.
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Originally posted by Chris4x4gill2 Chris4x4gill2 wrote:

Post a link to the thread here when you get it up!




I'll keep you informed. I let you know when the tutorial is done too.
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Post a link to the thread here when you get it up!
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My boss just requested I recover his his Kawasaki PWC seat. It is a simple pull over cover but with compound curves. I hope to pick up some 4 way stetch vinyl early next week and do a photo set or video of the project. I will post it under a seperate topic.
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Thanks Chris!
We wound up not being able to use the love seat base skin at all on this project and are having a local shop stitch a new one that will fit.
as for the rest of the work it was a cheap alternative and thats what we got!

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I dont have them yet. I went with Copycat purely based on price. I did see several good reviews from them on other forums, but also a few negatives like yours. For the price difference I am willing to take the chance. So far, they have been very good with communication and answering my questions. But I have yet to see an actual product. I should have them around christmas.
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Originally posted by Chris4x4gill2 Chris4x4gill2 wrote:

I'm using http://www.copycatcovers.com/


Chris how did your skins turn out?

One of my customers against my advice went ahead and ordered a partial set of skins for a 92 SN from Copycat covers. My advice is to utilize either a good local upolsterer or Christines.
This Copycat group was a nightmare to work with for my customer and for me to try and install the skins. workmanship was poor and the skins did not line up nor was consistant from unit to unit. Two comming pads, love seat base and back and corner and of these only one we were able to install correctly. Copycat even had the pull off skins for patterns and still was wrong.
Anyway beware of the Copycat. Stick with Christines!

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My cheapo electric arrow stapler was worthless. I wanted to use the wide crown staples, My upholstery stapler with thin wire staples drove great but you have to use groups of staples close together to prevent ripping through in situations like starting the middle of a side.
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The trouble is getting under the staples. A standard screw driver ground sharp like a chisle would probably suffice, us one just narrower than the staple crown to get a good even pull. watch your hand placement holding the piece, a slip can go right into the opposite arm or hand, then you regret having a sharp puller.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Chris,sometimes the staples are labeled "monel" at some stores


FWIW, I went out of my way to find monel staples and they didn't work. The were too soft and just folded up when I tried to use them. Ended up getting regular stainless staples. Both were arrow brand.

Also, as far as tools, I used a screw driver to pull the staples and a hand gun to install. If I was doing it for a living I'd load up on better gear, but they didn't slow me down much at all. Building seat bases took me longer than installing the skins.
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Chris,sometimes the staples are labeled "monel" at some stores
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I purchased a complete set for my 1988 SN from Christines. Pricey but looks like brand new. Glad I spent the $$$
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Chris, where are you buying your skins? I'm planning the same project this winter.
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Rochford will, but their shipping almost doubles the price of the puller. I'll see what i can find locally first.
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See if Rochford supply will sell to you online. Search staple lifter on their site. About 17$
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Not the pliers, the second one will work but this is my favorite, I find it the fastest as it lifts both staple legs at once.

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ok guys, do you recommend something liek this....

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Steve - I am buying skins and installing them myself. No sewing for me (I hope)

Dave - great explanation. Thanks for the tips. I hadnt thought of trying to use the heat gun to help stretch it. I'll try to find a staple remover, Would one of the big box craft stores have them you think? Like Hancock fabricks or Hobby Lobby? Or will they ones they have be junk?

Don - I have an air staple gun - I dont think I'd try this without it!
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I just had to take off my side panels while installing the stereo, a staple remover is a must, there are thousands of staples. I would say at the very least get a good electric stapler, if you have air, a pneumatic gun is even better. I borrow one from my upholstery guy, he loans out his old spare, it wasn't working properly and I had to take it aprart after every shot the last time. As you can imagine that got real old real quick, so I found some stainless staples for my hand stapler. It's a huge difference, very hard to get them where I wanted, and almost impossible to go through multiple layers on the corners with the handheld stapler. I've used an electric one to do trailer bunks before and they have the power, but air is the way to go if you can.
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If you can find an uphoilstery supply store, a good quality staple remover will speed up the process.
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Can give you more advice when the skins arrive. I am a trained upholsterer but do it only as a hobby, mostly home furnishings. Start with the easiest pieces to help the learning curve. Generally Pull over and loosly tack cover in the center of sides(magnetic tack hammer and tacks driven about half way so they can be removed), if all is centered well, staple from the centers to the corners, working all the sides a litle at a time rather than finishing them individually. Heat from a heat gun can help on complex corners but it takes a fine touch and it is easy to overheat and melt the skins. I usually heat from the back side. Some pieces have "Trimmers" to pull a center seam down. A piece of foam is removed and one half of the skin is tacked in place, then the trimmer can be stapled in and the remain ing foam piece put in place. tack the second half and then staple the whole piece. If you have not done this before there is a lot to watch making sure you are keeping all the sides pulled the same amount, and then staying the same from piece to piece. I did mine before I found this site, I wish I had done a photo series to show others.
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Chris, How much are you doing yourself? Are your buying replacement skins and simply removing old cover and staples and then replacing with new? Or are you buying vinyl on a roll and cutting patterns sewing and all that?
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