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bkhallpass
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srbranum
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Thanks.
I may need to talk to somebody on the phone about how to work this website and what everything means or my project will be finished by the time I figure it out. I will try again in the morning when I am off work and see if I can get some pictures again. Sorry everyone, be patient with me. scott |
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Okie Boarder
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Scott,
If you want, I can help you. You can email me the pictures and I'll set up a photobucket account for you t host them through and post them on here. What program opens your photos to view them on your computer? |
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srbranum
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My camera is an olympus 10mp but we use a nikon view picture program if that's what you are asking. I had a guy over at my house a minute ago and showed me a few things that may help. Do I need your email address to send you the pictures or is it somewhere on this website?
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srbranum
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Have another question everyone.
I have called a ton of places where I live asking for doug fir beams. Everyone says they will have to order it and it will cost a ton($150-$200 for two beams not counting the secondary stringers). More than one said spruce is just as good and if its not going to be seen, it should be fine. Can I substitute spruce for doug fir? Question #2: Does anyone know what width of primary to buy? If I could send a picture, the beam underneath the gas tank rises above the heighth of the rest of the stringer running up towards the front of the boat. Looks like I would need to buy a 2"X10X12' with the majority of beam cut down to slightly under 7". I hope I am explainging this correctly. Question 3: I know I am putting plywood underneath the seats and behind the engine but the areas beside the engine and covering the foam filled void areas is in question. I was thinking about using real thin luan plywood and covering it with fiberglass and resin. I am guessing this area was sprayed with layer after layer of fiberglass from the factory which I obviously can't do now. Any suggestions? Got to go to sleep now. Hope to hear from you guys on these questions. I hope to get you some pictures with help offered by Okie boarder. scott |
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kapla
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#3 sevaral ways to go...you can go the way it came from factory,..lay all the stringers, and fill all the voids with foam, then level it the the striger heigth..put the ply in the front section and then cover all ply and foam with glass. You can also go with ply all over the floor using this method but instead of glassing over the foam you lay the ply and the galss it over.
Or you can set all the ply before foaming and the drill holes in the floor and inject the foam there and then cover all with glass. If you go with the ply check striger height...as you don´t want to end up with a taller floor and then not beig able to alling the engine to the shaft... Also with the ply before putting it over the stringers coat it with cpes and glass in the inner face...you dan´t wan´t your job to rot from the inside if some water makes it there eventually |
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8122pbrainard
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Scott,
SPF aka: spruce, pine fir (not doug fir) is not the same. Not in the same strength class. I've mentioned this before but a good example as to the strength is to look at constuction framing charts. SPF isn't in the same span/lb per sq. foot catagory for roof or floor joists. Keep looking. What part of the country are you in? For the secondaries, the SPF is fine. The raised area of the stringers aft for the tank can be added on. You don't need to get the 2x wide enough to make it out of 1 piece. We've got to get you to take some time and read some other threads. Don't worry about sleeping!! |
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WakeSlayer
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Scott,
Measure you stringer again. Totally different boat, but mine was 153". I had to buy 8/4x8"x13', and had it planed to 1.5". You can add the gas tank support after the fact. I would try and seek out doug fir, Pete can explain it better than I. I paid $140 per stringer, planed and delivered. Probably high, but only one wholesaler had anything that would work for me. Edit: Pete beat me to it. |
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kapla
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yes all the info is here with lots of different set up. composite material instead of wood.. And some using no foam or alternate materials for flotation purposes..Like using pool noodles |
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Okie Boarder
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Scott,
I sent you an email through here. email me some pictures, I'll resize them and send them back, as well as post them on here for you. |
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Keeganino
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This is where you go for your lumber if you are having a hard time finding it in Huntsville. Lots of people on this site have purchased from there. Make a Sunday drive out of it.
Sweetwater Lumber |
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srbranum
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To Pete and Everyone else who has commented on this topic:
I just wanted to stop and take a minute to personally thank EVERYONE who is taking their personal and valuable time to help me with this project. You guys are very unselfish and generous to offer your expertise to someone you have never met but I just want you to know I sincerely appreciate it and am taking all advice as the Gospel! Second, I want everyone to know a little bit about my schedule because if I can't take action on something or throw out excuses, it's for a valid reason sometimes. I drive a big rig for Fedex monday-thursday between Huntsville and Memphis 400 miles per night leaving my house at 6:30 at night and returning at 8:30 in the morning, my wife is a CPA and that needs no explanation this time of year and I have two kids under 10 involved in everything. I have to get enough sleep or I could easily fall asleep at the wheel at night so on some days, I would'nt feel like going to the lottery board and pick up my check if I won. Please keep sending any and all comments as they are sincerly appreciated and excuse my ingnorace when it comes to technology and doing things in a timely matter scott |
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get some rest my friend!!!
we want you to finish this project the right way!!! |
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srbranum
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keegan,
Thanks for the info for Sweetwater. I called them and they can get me whatever I want. I have a question for you and anyone else with an opinion: John at Sweetwater says he can get me what he called a vertical grain or a mixed grain piece. The vertical grain is twice the price as the mixed grain but of course is the better quality. It is about $100/piece(I need 2ea.) or $200. The mixed grain of Doug Fir is $111 or two pieces. It's about a three hour drive each way to pick it up and $75 in gas. I may have another option locally so that's not out of the question. CAN I USE THE LOWER GRADE DOUG FIR ON THIS PROJECT? Thanks, scott |
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WakeSlayer
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Scott,
You are resurrecting a boat that has some decent value, especially to you. You are going to spend between $800-1500 on epoxy, glass, misc parts, then more on carpet, etc. I don't see saving $100 on lesser grade wood to be a worthwhile place to skimp. Done right, you are never going to see it again and the boat will give you and your family hundreds if not thousands of hours of priceless family fun. |
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bkhallpass
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You must get a fedex discount. Any way to have one of your compadres pick up the wood on a run?
The straight grain fir tends to be a straighter piece of wood as well. It will also have very few knots. You could go with less expensive lumber on the secondaries, but if it were mine, and in fact I'm in the middle of a stringer job myself, I would buy the good stuff for your primary stringer. Measure 3 or 4 times before you cut. BKH |
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You guys amaze me how much smarter you are than me! Keep it coming. |
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Scott,
Here are your pictures. It looks like you already figured out the resizing. They all appear to be 640 x 480. I put a folder in my photobucket account. If you have trouble figuring out how to post them, just send them to me and I'll put them in the folder and post them for you. |
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Andy,
Thanks for the help. I will study on everything you said as well as others and do the best I can. Got to eat dinner and go to work. Scott |
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Scott, Thanks much I'm sure from all of us. I really feel the CCfan group is unlike any other you will find. It's more family than anything. When you get that boat done or even if you don't, you really should try to make it to one of the reunions and meet some of the group in person plus have a great time. (bring the whole family) Regarding the straight vertical grain Doug fir, I hate to contradict others but considering you're getting it from Sweetwater even the lesser always looked fantastic. Greg (BuffalowBFN) was the first to discover them and I don't believe he went with the straight vertical grain. Greg, tell me if I'm wrong. The vertical grain means it slightly stronger because all the grain runs pretty much in the same direction. It's hand selected from the outside of the log sort of like quarter sawn is from the center. If you look at Keegans pictures of his stringers, his Doug fir isn't the vertical grain and it still looks great. |
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bkhallpass
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Can't see a lot of the boat, but what I can see looks to be in very good condition. BKH
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To anybody:
I am up under the dash taking out foam. I thought the two primary stringers ended there just before the floor rises to the area where the air intake comes in from the bow. Before I go any further, how far past the hump or incline do the beams go and would I have to cut that hump out to remove them? Also, buying the doug fir is a real hassle around here. Super expensive and nobody wants to discuss it. Sweetwater has helped a lot and I may have to to get it myself. Any commments? I know I should read threads but I am doing pretty well this morning and do not want to stop. scott |
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TRBenj
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The stringers will only extend a few inches past the footrest hump. Some people cut it out completely and reglass it in afterwards. I laid all new glass on my Ski Tique (same hull as your Skier). Removing it also made the foam removal much easier.
Other options to consider for stringers would be LVL (microlam) beams, or composites like Coosa. For just the stringers alone, I think you could come close to the price for wood (~$250 per 4x8 sheet of 1/2"), but theres a little more work involved since the mains would need to be laminated together with 3 layers before installing. The stringers would never rot, though! Check out threads by JoeinNY and lfskizzer to see what is involved. Im rebuilding a BFN with Coosa right now as well- but Im not very far along with the rebuild. |
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Scott, The stringers don't go very much past the kick panel.
similar stringers |
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Keegan,
Did you or do you intend to leave that lip that runds around the inside of the hull where the floor met the wall or are you going to grind it off? Also, do I try and grind or pry up all the old fiberglass in the floor area? I noticed yours does not appear to have any left and looks copper in color. Thanks, scott |
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TRBenj
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Scott, you'll want to grind the gelcoat off the bilge anywhere new glass will be laid. New glass will stick to the old glass much better than the old gel, which is brittle.
I suggested to Keegan that he leave the lip from the original floor on while he rebuilds the stringers. It will be a good guide when trying to get the stringers level. If going with a wood floor, there may be no harm in leaving a small lip to lend some support... though I plan to remove everything on my Skier and BFN, just like I did on my Ski Tique. Sometimes its just easier to start fresh, rather than match the old. |
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Here ye here ye!!!
OMG!!! The area under the dash was so much fun I wish I had another boat to do it over again. I have some more questions as usual: 1. Why are the end of the primary stingers under the dash rotten as well as the small vertical piece of wood sittting on top of the stringer? I would think this area is the safest of all from rot. 2. Ended up pulling out the three ventilation hoses from the air scoop on the bow. I guess I will buy new hoses and foam it back in. 3. I was looking at the sides of the hull inside the boat and the little lip that is left over from taking the floor out seems to be one big piece of fiberglass laid on top of the gelcoat hull. Does everybody leave this in(I hope)? 4. About the best I could come up with on the Douglas Fir is $211+$68gas+$50 to finish the wood to a smooth surface and about 7hours of my time. I don't know why but this part of the project really gets under my collar. 5. What do you guys call the foam that you put everywhere and where would I begin to look for it locally? I had a insulation guy reblow our attice this year and they mentioned that they spray something similiar to this between the walls for insulation. I wonder if I should call them and see what it is and could I buy some. TRBeng, tell me one more time about the areas NOT associated with fiberglassing the stringers related to gelcoat or grinding it off. Should I try to make the whole bottom of the boat the same or just focus on the areas that the stringers sit on? I am going to make a template based on the footprint of the engine and take a lot of other measurements to make sure I put the engine back in exactly where it was or as close as humanly possible. Ya'll please give me some feedback. Scott |
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4. Me too, but it is what it is, dude. You will find plenty of other stuff to piss you off soon. Like grinding.
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