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ArtCozier 
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Thanks, Pete. I had forgotten about the one that used the engine oil pressure. I have a couple of Dearbos in my "bone yard," in case you are looking for parts.
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Awesome. This thread is why we are all on this forum.
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Eaton never made a down angle Dearbomatic. They did however have a very short lived V drive. The 3 versions of the Dearbo were the first that used engine oil pressure for the clutch pack presseure. Then since that wasn't reliable, the second was another oil pump piggy backed to the engine oil pump. Still not the best, the third was the self contained oil pump within the trans itself.
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Posted: December-18-2020 at 9:31am |
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Hey Huss. Are you still getting the windshield from me?
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Scott Zuelzke
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TRBenj
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Posted: December-18-2020 at 9:27am |
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I’ll throw in my 2cents.
While getting Leo’s current feedback sure is neat, I think any major deviations from the original configuration dilute the restoration significantly, regardless of whether you got “permission”. Keeping the patina and getting Leo out in the water are certainly admirable though. |
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Posted: December-18-2020 at 9:18am |
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Yes, there were several versions of the Dearborn gears. There were at least two different models used in Correct Crafts. I have never seen a down-angle one, but they easily could have been available at some time. We also used a mechanical-shifted Paragon 1:1 before the Dearbos and the Warners. ("Velvet Drives") There also was a lighter-duty Warner that had only four pairs of clutches. The model number was AS70C. It was dropped by Warner sometime in the late 1960s. The one we see most of nowadays were AS71C model, which became the 1017 when they changed their model number system. It has five pairs of clutch discs. There is also a 1018, formerly known as the AS72C. It has six pairs of clutch discs, and is rated for higher horsepower than the 1017.
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Posted: December-18-2020 at 9:17am |
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You have both versions there, the 272 has a velvet and the 292 has the Dearborn so you can go either way.
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I know right?? Truly wild, this has been a very unusual 'restoration' by all accounts. I've never experienced or seen something like this. Its like having Lee Iacocca say "sure, send a couple drywall screws into the doorpanel of your K car" Are changes made now that Leo says are okay now recalls and updates?? What does original mean! Haha I'm glad we live in an age where this can all be documented. If somebody wants to 'restore' it to 'original' specs 100 years from now, they can reference this thread. I have 4 goals 1.) Make it drive without sinking too much 2.) Preserve the exterior handwriting 3.) Keep the patina 4.) Take Leo for a ride |
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Posted: December-18-2020 at 8:55am |
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I hope to be ' done' by the end of February and take Leo for a ride
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Posted: December-18-2020 at 8:26am |
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Dearbo Model C. Definately shorter than a Velvet Drive.
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Spoken like a true mechanic! 
Classic ....just Classic!!!! How many OEM Designers from 60 years ago are still around to share their wisdom and give you there blessing to change the first one ever made. Ya can't put a price tag on that!
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Is there two types of Dearborn? Ugly has a Dearborn on it but its even shorter than the velvet. I once saw what I think was a Dearborn but the output coupler was angled like a pcm reduction trans in a boat graveyard. I got the 'OK' from the designer so, I guess its a change order? Lol |
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Posted: December-17-2020 at 10:39pm |
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The original engine probably had a Dearborn tranny on it.
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Sorry for the lack of updates, I swear I'm working on her lol.
Gutted the interior and replaced the front floor. Stringers are in remarkable condition. Flipped a coin (literally) and decided to just scab in the sections of the stringers that were cut to accommodate the 302. I'm in the Bahamas to work on a G25, hope to be back Monday. This has been a crazy season. I ordered a new driveshaft from elberts. I had to move the engine forward 5 inches. I dont think the original had a velvet. Leo told me to "do what it takes to make the prop spin" I expect to resume work around new years |
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Phil, My 64 X55 has a plexi that was hazy and scratched too. Several years ago I used one of the plastic polishes on it and was very impressed how it turned out.
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Sorry I can't help with the split windshield question, my '65 has the one piece, a little hazy and scratched, but not too bad. Did one of Reid's gen 1's have a 2 piece?
I do have a used left hand 13-13 prop in nice condition - PM me if you need it for the project.
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It has a left hand prop that is very rotted. Certainly older than the 302 that was put in it (in 1995 I think I was told?) I wouldn't be surprised if the prop was at least 30 years old. It could be from the 60's, its very rotten |
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Hmmm... This photo sheds a whole new light on this project.... I had not realized that #1 is a left-hand drive. That makes it unnecessary to hunt down RH rotation engine parts. The PCM that was in it might have been a RH rotation engine. What hand prop is on it??
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Per Leo, one of the oldest pics he has, pretty telling for the windshield. I can also see the Aquameter (which I have to replace) and the Tach, and I presume oil and temp. Someone must have added the volt/amp gauge
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I think the first split-glass windshields on the SN came about it 1970, after the hull and deck were re-designed. Interesting little side-bar story about the redesign... W.O. Meloon asked the toolmaker (makes molds) to "clean up and make more stylish" the Gen1 SN, but don't mess with the bottom.".. A few days later the toolmaker came to W.O. and asked, "Mr. Meloon, which side of the bottom would you like me to duplicate? He had lofted a boat, taken some measurements and determined that the bottom of the boat was asymmetrical. To my knowledge, that prevailed to some extent through the 196 model.
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I think you might find that the deck on the Gen 1 is too flat for any of the two-piece windshields that we used. There needs to be some "crown" to the deck for them to fit properly. You might want to check photos in the Reference section of CCFan.com
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Phil (70CC) where are you?
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My memory is a little foggy on this, but I think this was discussed awhile back and the SN split glass windshield was unique to the SN. It's wider than a Mustang windshield, but not as wide as a Barracuda windshield. Maybe someone with a 1st Gen SN will chime in?
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I have a split frame off of a 1960's Barracuda. It has glass in it. Art may be able to shed some light on the compatibility of this.
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If anyone has even just the frame for a split windshield off a 1st gen, I would be interested in purchasing and having new plexi made for it
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No problem Art, that just means we have to take my truck instead of my wife’s. See you at Christmas.
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I'm sure he appreciates the advertising!
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Hollywood has the Cadillac with a trunk big enough from several dead bodies.
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Scott, it looks as though we have this covered without a lot of complex handing it off to various people. I do appreciate the offer. |
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Wow, that would be perfect!! It will save a lot of coordination and handing-off for those involved. Will you be in a vehicle with enough room to fit it? As I recall, it's 72" wide tip-to-tip.
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