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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

That's a good idea that will be a big help.
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That's a good idea that will be a big help.
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I made a rope sling to hopefully help with getting on the ladder without it dragging the water. It loops over the rear lifting fitting. 
 
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A nice one-step folding section would be a excellent add-on, you know, as we're not getting any younger or any more flexible...  Wink
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Yea and now days Pete with a Acme prop you'd slip and end up cutting off a toe LOL  If I had some gel coat left I'd just remove the dumb thing. Mike lay on the floor of your living room with your butt against the wall,put your feet up the wall with your knee's back by your ears. Now imagine trying to pull yourself up Embarrassed   
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Hands on ladder then toes of one foot over the top of the rudder and then the other foot to the bottom step is how I remember it being pretty easy. However, just as Bruce mentions, that was in my younger years. Big smile


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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

Ok I will try that . How hard was it to get on the ladder with it being so far up?

I was probably about 58 the last time I did it and it wasn't easy.  Easier than climbing up over the side, but  to have your feet higher than your hips and be able to grab the bars and pull your self up was a reminder that I wasn't as young as I used to be, (or as my son would tell me, I just need to work out more.).  
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The bottom of the lower rung on my '73 is 3 inches from the bottom. It's not that bad to get on. 
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Ok I will try that . How hard was it to get on the ladder with it being so far up?
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We don;t own the boat anymore, but I'd say the top of the bottom step is about level with the top of the exhaust through hulls.
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Sea trials continued yesterday. I installed the used 12x15 prop huge difference, New 143 degree thermostat temp steady around 160 . Carb wedge also made a big difference I was able to lower the idle speed so no more lunging when put in gear also the black stains on the transom from the exhaust are gone. Overall it went well  except for the rear ladder. I went with the ladder instead of a platform because of the fuel tank being so close to the transom on the outsides the ladder mounts in the center and was there when I got the boat. I rebuilt it using stainless tubing instead of the thin aluminum . I think I put the lower step too far down . I set it 1'' above the bottom of the transom but during sea trials it caused major high speed driving and turning problems . It was forcing the bow to ride lower and driving water up and over the transom. It was a scary ride especially during a right turn. lesson learned this boat needs to ride high in the bow. I removed the lower step and eliminated the problem. I have seen Mustangs with rear mounted ladders if you have one can you measure how high the step is above the bottom of the transom?




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That's surprising considering where it lives Tim. Does it at least have the higher HP valve cover decals Wink This is one of my favorite pictures- you can see the bow rise even with two aboard,mine is no where near that with only one. I have not come across the picture of mine at speed when I do I will post it. Until then-




This is not the picture I was thinking of but it does show the more bow down mine runs-


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My understanding is that Marshall’s hull hasn’t been touched. Some hulls run much more bow high than others- and I’ve noticed it seems to correlate to whether you have the padded transom or not. Pad = fast... not that the pad itself has any effect, but I’m guessing there were multiple molds, and they weren’t quite created equal. The clean transom boats run noticeably more flat (and slow).
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Bow up is faster Wink

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Compared to the Supras that Mike is accustomed to, I'd say it rides bow high, is a lot more weight sensitive and rolls more in the corners along with being kinda junior petite in size  Wink
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Planing and bow steer, not planning and chine lock.
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Sounds about normal for a Mustang from back then   [/QUOTE]

Not in my experience - once they get going they ride flat. Marshall's is the only one I have seen of the early hulls that rides bow up,the picture of his on a header page here is a good example of how his runs. I suspect it has been reworked at the BBC. I also think that Mike hasn't opened his up yet either.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?

Sounds like a reasonable plan on the hundred dollar prop Wink

What are the driving and behavior issues Morfoot sorta mentioned ?

As most of you know I have a soft spot for early Supra's. I currently own 3 two comps and a Sunsport and then there is the 210. I have never even driven anything as small as the Mustang. Its like having a canoe with a big engine. Any weight shift will tip the boat to the side and when you turn at speed the gunnel is pretty close to the water. It seams to ride nose up going straight . Its just different and a lot smaller than I am used too . Having that 13x13 prop makes it lunge forward as soon as its put in gear.

Sounds about normal for a Mustang from back then

I don't think the prop change will really do anything to make the lunge into gear any better..
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

  Its like having a canoe with a big engine. Any weight shift will tip the boat to the side and when you turn at speed the gunnel is pretty close to the water. It seams to ride nose up going straight . 

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Nose high is good. You don't what to dig the stem in the water. Early plaining hull designs which includes the 1st gen Mustang ran nose high. The danger with planting the nose/stem in the water is flipping the hull. When the nose plants with any deviation from straight ahead, you end up with a chine lock.Be very careful. 


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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?

Sounds like a reasonable plan on the hundred dollar prop Wink

What are the driving and behavior issues Morfoot sorta mentioned ?

As most of you know I have a soft spot for early Supra's. I currently own 3 two comps and a Sunsport and then there is the 210. I have never even driven anything as small as the Mustang. Its like having a canoe with a big engine. Any weight shift will tip the boat to the side and when you turn at speed the gunnel is pretty close to the water. It seams to ride nose up going straight . Its just different and a lot smaller than I am used too . Having that 13x13 prop makes it lunge forward as soon as its put in gear.
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?

Sounds like a reasonable plan on the hundred dollar prop Wink

What are the driving and behavior issues Morfoot sorta mentioned ?
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Not to mention that at -13 it’s frozen solid and won’t be thawed out til August. But Mike doesn’t have that problem so he can use the more environmentally conscious version if he chooses
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Mike,
Permatex makes several. Your local auto supply should have it. I like the oil based better. I feel the water based compound dries out too quick. 

I recommended the lapping since it's likely an older used prop will need it. 


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I made a play on that 100.00 12x15 prop . I figure If it doesn't work out I can always resell it. Carb wedge comes today prop tomorrow should have some answers by the weekend. What is a good lapping compound I have never lapped a prop before maybe I just got lucky?
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Took Kermit over to Mike's last night so Gail can start making him a Ginko Green cover for him so when his in the slip the late afternoon sun won't dry out his Skin and got a chance to see Tweety in person. The boat looks fantastic and I can't wait to drive it. He called me an instigater as he never would have taken on the project as it doesn't drive and behave like a traditional SN. Said I may end up with it but my wife quickly responded with a No he isn't! The 351 in that little boat is a Beast! Told him I'd ski behind it too when the water warms up from a chilly 51'F. Mentioned a "new" 12x15 wheel he scored after a chat with TrBenj, Keno so if it's the same prop?  Stern Smile
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I reworked the trailer so it doesn't scratch the bottom of the boat loading .I also rebuilt the carb . Sea trials today the carb is running way too rich. Looks like the secondaries are leaking. I had the same problem with a holley because of the angle of the carb . I ordered a 5 degree wedge plate I will start there before I get into the reseting the floats . I am not that familiar with the Edelbrock if you know any tricks let me know. Still looking for a 12'' left prop tons of rights out there the left looks to be rare. Can a 13'' be cut down to a 12''? 

Good Edelbrock "trick".................. mount it pretty much level with a wedge plate like you're planning, and leave the floats alone since each float bowl serves a primary and a secondary nozzle, so you'd be lowering the primary level as well as the secondary level.

Here's a link to the 8 degree wedge plate that Chrysler used when it was called a Carter carburetor

Your 5 degree wedge will probably be OK


You can find 12 degree wedge plates too from Holley and some others, but the price says they're way too proud of their plates so I didn't put a link to them Wink

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Well...........it seems like the 100 dollar "candle holder" in the EBAY link got sold at 9:39 this morning, right smack in the middle of all the discussion in this thread.

I wonder who might have bought it?  Wink


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Bruce is finally coming around. I agree that the 12” oj legend 3-blades on the smaller boats are pretty decent. The 13x13 3-blade isn’t bad on a 2001 or similar either. Nice upgrade over Federal for sure.

Still, if buying new, the price difference to go to Acme over OJ is small, and the performance advantage is enough for me to choose Acme every time.

I do not like the larger diameter OJ’s nearly as much, especially the 4-blades. That goes for both hand finished Legends and XMP’s... the performance edge the Acme’s have are even larger here. At least in terms of top speed, acceleration and smoothness (the last being fine on an XMP).
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Huge difference between the OJ legends and Federals.  We have a few OJ Legends and I really like them.  The Federals I've had are junk, unless you're running a 6 banger like our Mustang, then it doesn't matter. Like I said, for free no harm, but I wouldn't spend money on one.
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