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Taking the stand pipe out would just turn the muffler into a straight Y pipe.

Lower flow restriction & louder exhaust sound would be the result.
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Originally posted by JPASS JPASS wrote:

My understanding of how this works is this:

That floating pipe actually acts like an elevated spillway in that the exhaust doesn't start dumping water until the height of the water in the muffler reaches the top of the loose pipe. Then the water will then flow out the exhaust.


I think that is exactly how it works.

Originally posted by JPASS JPASS wrote:


I'm assuming this also helps to create a certain amount of back pressure? Would not having this spillway effect anything in regards to the way the motor runs or performs? Wonder if it lead to any of the leaks due to an improper water level in the exhaust?



Probably.

Not sure.

I think the leaks occur as the thing falls apart. It is mostly full of water all the time. Maybe freezing in the winter time leads to cracks, leaks and the small pipe coming unglued? Unless you run antifreeze through until it comes out the exhaust, the water left in would freeze.
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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

Taking the stand pipe out would just turn the muffler into a straight Y pipe.

Lower flow restriction & louder exhaust sound would be the result.



That seems right to me...
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Freezing was never an issue as this boat was in central Florida it's entire life.

Thanks again for all the help. Much appreciated.





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Originally posted by dwouncmd dwouncmd wrote:

Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

Taking the stand pipe out would just turn the muffler into a straight Y pipe.

Lower flow restriction & louder exhaust sound would be the result.



That seems right to me...


I don't think it'll be louder. The water level in the tank is what's doing the muffling.
I seem to remember somebody else here that completely removed all the baffles when they blew out the invertaflow and repaired it. There wasn't any noticeable difference in the sound.
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I got the spillway pipe glued back in and I've used about 2-3 layers of 6oz mat to seal up the sides. Is this enough glass or do I need to put down more. Seems pretty solid to me, but I have no idea how much pressure is in the muffler while the motor is running.



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I'd be surprised if the exhaust system sees more than 2 to 3 PSI. I thinks your repair is fine. The system is pretty open and doesn't back up much head of water. It takes 27" of water column to create 1 PSI.


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Thanks Pete. I guess I'll find out soon enough. just need to grind down some rough spots and paint her up.


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Originally posted by dwouncmd dwouncmd wrote:


I think the leaks occur as the thing falls apart. It is mostly full of water all the time. Maybe freezing in the winter time leads to cracks, leaks and the small pipe coming unglued? Unless you run antifreeze through until it comes out the exhaust, the water left in would freeze.


Well that's not good,I have been using the pour method,can anyone verify that there is any water left in the muffler? You would think that there would be some sort of drain or reference to this in the owners manual. Maybe a call to the muffler manufactor is in order?
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I just emailed Centex about the Invertaflo holding water,will let everyone know what they say.
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If freeze expansion was a problem, wouldn't all of us northerners with this muffler have failures by now?   Mine seems to be fine (knock on wood).
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I cant imagine it doesnt hold a bit of water but it would have plenty of room to expand and gives a bit more than cast. When is the last time you saw water in an open plastic bucket cause a problem when it froze?
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

I cant imagine it doesnt hold a bit of water but it would have plenty of room to expand and gives a bit more than cast. When is the last time you saw water in an open plastic bucket cause a problem when it froze?


I just wonder if the freeze/thaw expansion cycle has anything to do with the cracks, leaks, and particularly the inner pipe working loose. I think there is plenty of room above the waterline for expansion, but I bet the water in the muffler freezes solid.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

I cant imagine it doesnt hold a bit of water but it would have plenty of room to expand and gives a bit more than cast. When is the last time you saw water in an open plastic bucket cause a problem when it froze?


Good analogy Joe but the only way I can test right now is to put some water in an ice cube tray
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Our boat has been a Florida boat it's entire life. freezing had nothing to do with our leaks.


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I would think if it didn't hold water, then when you crank it on the trailer for a slight second it'd be louder until it filled up as the water does a good part of the muffling??
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Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

I would think if it didn't hold water, then when you crank it on the trailer for a slight second it'd be louder until it filled up as the water does a good part of the muffling??


Mine is definitely louder when it first starts even at the dock.
Here is the responce I recieved this morning---

Good morning Gary,

You are correct, by design, we have always included a drain hole in the outlet pipe of the muffler in order to drain water when the engine shuts down. However, a very small amount of water will remain inside of the muffler. This small amount of water will not pose a problem if it were to freeze. If the muffler was full of water, then you would need to worry about getting antifreeze into the muffler. We also include drain screws in the mufflers to drain water as well.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

I would think if it didn't hold water, then when you crank it on the trailer for a slight second it'd be louder until it filled up as the water does a good part of the muffling??


Mine is definitely louder when it first starts even at the dock.
Here is the responce I recieved this morning---

Good morning Gary,

You are correct, by design, we have always included a drain hole in the outlet pipe of the muffler in order to drain water when the engine shuts down. However, a very small amount of water will remain inside of the muffler. This small amount of water will not pose a problem if it were to freeze. If the muffler was full of water, then you would need to worry about getting antifreeze into the muffler. We also include drain screws in the mufflers to drain water as well.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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I don't have a drain hole on the outside and did not see evidence of one on the inside pipe when it was apart (I probably just missed it; now it is surely glassed over)
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I have a small screw on the starboard side of the the muffler body about an inch up from the bottom edge. It's currently glassed over. Haven't decided if I'm going to drill it out again.

I did not see any other drains on the muffler.


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Bert said there was a drain hole that would allow the water to drain out after shutdown. He didn't say it was an external drain... I would assume it to be internal since that would allow draining to happen naturally after every shutdown.
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I do recall seeing a small hole near the bottom of the spillway insert under the hat near the base of the muffler housing. Maybe this is what he was referring. I could see how this would allow water to exit the exhaust naturally, albeit slowly, at levels below the top of the spillway pipe.

I went back a page and noticed the video I posted has the hole I'm referring to right there.




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