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GrayBeardSkier
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Oops...I forgot something from the previous post.
Art, Angie, and Jerry: it was great to meet you in person and I extend my special thanks for all the information you've provided. You are very kind people and we need more like you in the water ski boating enthusiast group! |
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GrayBeardSkier
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Art C.: thanks for responding. It sounds like the bottom line of your response is that there isn’t any information in the CC Florida files about the details of the boat and you don’t have any personal knowledge of it either. The shipping invoice that does exist, matches the boat and timeline so I guess that confirmation is good. It’s too bad more detail information isn’t there as I was hoping for that.
If additional detailing was done at Correct Craft West, would records exist of that? For those with interest in this story, please read on as the lead I’ve been following did turn up additional information. So in the log book records, the entry right under the one about adding color to windshield frame, was an entry about getting the name and stripes refurbished. This entry includes the name Jerry Heinrich and a phone number. I’m thinking the odds of me being able to reach the painter are about a million to one but nevertheless, I give it a try. Lo and behold, Jerry H. answers the phone. When I asked if he remembered doing some paint work on a boat in 1978, his response was that he was painting several hundred boats a year back then. When I included that it was a Ski Nautique with stars and stripes on it, he responded that of course he remembered the boat because it was so unique. I asked if the stars and stripes were already on the boat, he said, absolutely, all he did was touchup work where paint was faded or chipped. I asked about the flames and he said that those were already on the boat and not his work. As a next step, I decided it would be good to have those people who possessed the boat back in the 1970’s verify first hand that it looks the same now as then. I made arrangements to meet with Jerry H. and he was also able to have Art and Angie Rodrigues be there as well. Jerry H. was also an active member of the Santa Clara Ski club back then. All three people inspected the boat closely. Bottom line, the paint work on the boat today still matches what it did when it was delivered from the CC dealer. The stars and stripes Ski Nautique is what was there when Art and Angie took possession of the boat as first owners. Jerry H. confirm that he only did touchup work to the horizontal stripes and Ski Nautique name. Jerry H. identified that he there was some paint work that was his and it is the CA id up on the bow. The font/style on these characters is a style he still uses today and in fact matches the style on his personal boat. Of course I had to capture the moment, so here’s a picture of these folks with the boat today. Art on left, Angie middle, and Jerry H. on right While inspecting the boat, Angie recalled some additional information that may open some new angles for us. Her recollection is that the CC boat dealer was named Ralph Maloon and she thought the dealership was located in Sacramento, CA when they purchased the boat. In addition to the story about there being two boats with stars and stripes treatment, she remembers being told that they had also applied this same stars and stripes Ski Nautique scheme to a sign board and it was hung in a CC facility somewhere. Given the Art C. feedback, I’m guessing it wasn’t hung in a Florida building but more likely CC West (wherever that was) or a dealership building. So, I’ll broaden the request for sightings, has anyone seen the east coast stars and stripes Ski Nautique boat or does anyone recall seeing a stars and stripes sign hanging in a CC facility? What are the odds that this sign may still exist and be hanging in some ones garage somewhere? Wouldn’t that be something? |
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Joel Heinke
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DrCC
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The flames were not on the boat in the old pic.
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Tim D
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Yes they do, an American would have made them symmetrical.
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Tim D
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GlassSeeker
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those flames say : Asian painter all over them
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This is the life
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Hollywood
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Some guys are really good at handling small things (quinner, Spurling)
Some guys are really good at pulling logs (quinner, Spurling) |
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Tim D
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I was referring to what's on the boat now. Most likely that had to be all paint then. But the lettering is not close to the factory lettering. The guys doing the lettering back then were Asian. Pauly Banana has pics of the guys doing the lettering back then. I was wondering why no one has mentioned the two breaks in the bottom stripe, looks like patch work.
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Tim D
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GlassSeeker
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Does Original owner Art have more snaps from the photo album?...post em up
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This is the life
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GlassSeeker
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how do you explain it being on the boat in 75? in the pictures...there it is.
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Tim D
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Yeah, that was the one point when the owner mentioned part of it was vinyl. I knew that couldn't have been done in '75. Nobody had a vinyl cutter in '75. Who had a computer in '75?
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Tim D
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ArtCozier
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Thanks to Morfoot, I have now found the thread. There isn't enough time in the world for me to study these pages in detail, but I feel that if CC had done the logo, they would have used the standard stencil and built onto it, so I'm going to say that I doubt that it was done at the factory. Now, we did have a man working there at the time who was always bugging Walt to let him paint some flame on the boats. He had just learned to paint flame, and couldn't wait to be allowed to paint some. That never happened.
Dave has already done what I would have done first, that is to look at the invoice to see whether it said anything about a special logo. Could be that it was done at West Coast, but, as someone already pointed out, there was no vinyl lettering being cut in Orlando in those days. If parts of the logo are decals, it definitely was not done in the factory. Everything was done with paint until about 1986. There was no question in my mind about the trailer after seeing the photo of the crossmembers, or "wishbones," as we called them. All of ours were bent on a bender built by Harold Meloon, and the angles were not sharp. Glad that the former owner Art cleared that one up. The overall photo of the trailer erases any doubts that it is not CC. |
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IAughtNaut
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nice...looking forward to it Art
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Morfoot
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Just bumping this thread up some so Art C can find it. I just got off the phone with him to talk about a few things. I did mention to him that his name was being tossed around here in this thread a bit and that we were looking for his knowledge about a 'Stars and Stripes' CC. He did say that anything is possible as in those days if it meant selling a boat then CC would do it. CC stayed away from ANYTHING S & S as it was a Mastercraft thing. Art said he tried to find this thread after he got word that his knowledge was needed but couldn't find it. I told him where to find it so he should pipe up here sometime in the near future and fill us in on what he remembers.
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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BuffaloBFN
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Who has the tall stack of waterskier magazine? Or whichever.
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GrayBeardSkier
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It's funny you mention this, I got a notion when I first heard the story of 2 boats made in 1975 decorated with stars and stripes that it had something to do with the US bicentennial. It would be great if we could find some CC records that supported that theory. I made a phone call to CC a couple days ago and was told that Art C. was aware that we are seeking information/history on this boat and he would response once he was in a position to. I sure hope he is able to find some leads on the sister (east coast) boat.
I've also got another very promising lead to further substantiate the history for the west coast boat that I'm working. Once I've been able to further develop it, I'll share the information back here. |
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harriss28
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i think CC made this boat for the upcoming bicentennial in '76.
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The Godfather
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Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen....
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The Godfather
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Still waiiting on Art, too see .
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Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen....
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peter1234
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so in Petes acbs (I might have that wrong) what would happen . You would have to have documentation? my first car was a (yes unbelievable) 70 chevelle ls6 car I bought it 3 yrs old from a friend of the family who bought it new one fender had the 454 emblem one the 396 . dealer found the other 454 fender damaged on delivery maybe? some things are hard to judge what is right and what isnt i guess.
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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quinner
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Much of the "bling" work done to the Paragon happened at Midwest Correct Craft
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RainDog
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Sometimes better. Just ask owners of Yenko and Nickey Camaros if they prefer original. I think some of the custom stuff N3 is doing might fall in this category. |
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DrCC
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I was thinking more along the lines of an East coast pick-up or delivery. Probably a very slim chance of consecutive serials anyway.
But, here's what I was saying about the Airguides. The Black-faced was not even available in 1975 or 1976. |
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The Godfather
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They both just have invoices.. deck colors and motor size not much info |
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Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen....
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DrCC
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Hey Dave, What about CTCO 5223 M75G SN or
CTCO 5225 M75G SN ? |
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The Godfather
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Well here is what I tracked down: Only found the invoice for this boat... The boat was built 3/8/75 motor was 255 Escort: SB SY70302-825-H With white hull & deck Boat went to West Coast Correct Craft Wish I had more to offer Dave |
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Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen....
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With all the red accents, I like it too, The original owner claims it was on the boat when he bought it new in 73. man, I'm glad that tower is gone! . |
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that red steering wheel is awesome .
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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If not original, we may need a new definition such as "historically" correct. For me it has more interest and value with the stars,stripes,and early documentation of the story than it would with out. I am sure those in the ski club that rode in and behind would say the same. I felt the same way about the red boat that had snoopy on its side for most its life.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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62 wood
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Gary, PLEASE send me my tach!! I have not seen it for 9 months and really miss it!
Bruce, if I got rid of Timmy B's favorite red metallic steering wheel, could I take the 73 out of the beater catagory? |
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Fun stuff. I am pulling for the boat being original (except the platform and windshield as stated). Even better if the lost 2nd boat is found.
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