Stars & Stripes Ski Nautique ??? |
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turningpoint84
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The flames aren't original either i assume?
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GrayBeardSkier
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Ok, so there was a call for more pictures. People are visual, I get it. So I went to work and gathered up a timeline of pictures. What I think you'll see, is the boat has had the same stars and stripes graphics and looks the same from 1975 till now. But here goes...
Art and Angie launching their new Ski Nautique for first time in 1975. Art piloting the boat after initial launch in 1975. Jerry and Moira piloting the boat in 1980 on Lake Tulloch. They had recently acquired the boat from Art and Angie. Ski Nautique on trailer in 1982. If you look closely, you can see top of ladder in back so it hadn't been replaced with swim deck yet. Ski Nautique on trailer at Coyote Lake in 1992. Ski Nautique at Clear Lake in 1994. Ski Nautique on water (most likely Coyote Lake) in 1995. Ski Nautique on trailer in 1996. Jerry at the helm at Clear Lake in 1997. Joel and Jill piloting the Ski Nautique on Clear Lake in 2001. Ok, I've provided the visual evidence as to the boat's appearance over it's life span. Hopefully this dispels lingering questions and disproves assertions that the boat must have changed appearance after delivery from Correct Craft. Like the original owners and I've said all along, this is the factory delivered appearance (except swim deck and windshield frame color) for this boat. Now I hope someone who was involved in the commissioning and/or original trimming of the boat will now remember and speak up about their memories. |
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cphase
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My wife reminds me constantly "Men are VISUAL"!!! |
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GlassSeeker
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GrayB,
If you want to light a fire under your thread again just post more detailed pics of the boat now and also more from Original Owner Art's original photos. We're dudes we have to see pictures!!!! |
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ArtCozier
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Gray..... I did get a response from Ralph Meloon Jr. and he does not have but a "faint" recollection of such a boat, and he does't think that it came from the factory with those graphics. I am still working on trying to catch up with Walt Meloon Jr. to show him the photo and test his memory!
Art C. |
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GrayBeardSkier
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Bouncing this in case someone has uncovered new information.
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I don't see nothin' wrong with a little bump n' grind.
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Been doing way too much grinding, come to think of it, can you write me a prescription doctor?? Will have to bump our Martini thread with some grinding updates!!
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DrCC
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Yep, I was just getting ready to say that we do have a member that worked for West Coast Correct Craft in the year 2000.
Q- so, I'm assuming, no outdoor grinding today either. |
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quinner
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Dr Al bumped this thread today, something interesting a few posts down by member BB, Bob Bense
Thread About 75' HMMMMMM |
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Really Quinner, you are seriously deranged (and extremely funny as well) |
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Not necessarily, HW as an example, he's pretty "special", in a licking school bus windows kind of way, don't think his parents ordered him that way?? |
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I plan to talk with both Walt and Ralph Meloon Jr. as soon as I can carve some time out of my schedule!
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How is it that the original owner got this particular boat? if it was so special shouldn't the original owner have some sort of documentation as to this "specialness"???
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martin 74
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Joel
I noticed your boat is missing the usual flag decals that went on the sides of the boat near the stern. Total wild guess, but maybe whoever made those flag decals at the time made special custom ones for your boat. Both have stars on top and stripes on the bottom. Again wild wild guess! Rich |
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Wow, now we’re cooking!! It’s amazing how a small clue can open the door to more information and a whole new chapter unfolds.
Let me try to address the question as to whether the stars and stripes Ski Nautique graphic on the boat sides was technically possible in 1975. I’ve never questioned that myself because it appears original and given the limited numbers (2 boats) the same time/cost factors from mass production runs don’t apply. First off, I don’t profess to be an expert in lettering/graphic applications but I have done about 10 auto paint jobs involving stripes/multi-colors/etc. and a little bit of hand painted pin striping. Most of my experience doing this paint work was in mid to late 1970s so I’m familiar with materials available back then. I think I caused some confusion when I said there was some vinyl in the lettering. There is but all the actual letter detail like stars, red and white stripes and blue is hand painted. The vinyl portion is all background behind the letters. Because the letters are close together, the background is a solid piece for several letters. So there’s only 4 pieces of vinyl behind the 11 letters. I think someone with a steady hand and a razor knife could have easily cut these shapes from a vinyl sheet. They did a good job of cutting smooth curves but if you look real close you can see some small wiggles in a couple of places. These are the type of thing you wouldn’t expect to see in a computer cut graphic but would in a hand done one. So I agree with consensus that a computer controlled vinyl cutter wasn’t available back then but an artist with a razor knife could easily have done this work. Like I said, the real artistry is in the hand painted stars and stripes letters themselves. From information Art C. has provided, the Florida CC factory painted the lettering with stencils and sprayed the paint. I'm assuming this work wasn't done by that same crew. I’m still convinced that there was a limited run of this special graphic treatment that was commissioned somewhere within CC though. Now it’s a matter of tracking it down who commissioned it. |
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Tim, The offer of Southern hospitality is a huge temptation. There are so many of you down there I would like to meet. I believe the only reason a CCFAN does not make a re-union is that they give themselves permission not to. One of these years I will take my own advice, man up, and get down there in March. Unfortunately this year I gave myself permission not to. Thanks for the Invite though. I will be watching the SJRR thread with jealous eyes. |
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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All more the reason for y'all to come on down to play on the river in March. Art hangs with us for the weekend and as we all know, is a wealth of information and history. Art, I wish there was a way to plug your brain into a hard drive and download all you know about CC but I don't think there is a computer big enough to hold all the info. Thanks for all you add to the site and the history of our beloved Correct Crafts! |
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.............. X2!!!! |
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It is so cool to have you here on the site Art. THANKS!
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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ArtCozier
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I don't think that's Russ' Mom in the boat. That photo was shot in Florida at a lake near the factory, and to my knowlede his mom never came to Florida. He is still around, skiing in Texas, I think.
Saw him in recent years, but don't remember where. |
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Can I favorite this thread? What a GREAT story!!!!!
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ArtCozier
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You certainly do good detective work. The CC dealer in those days was in fact Ralph Meloon, a son of Mr. Ralph to whom Dave refers in his post. Angie is correct, it was in Sacramento. Ralph Jr., as we call him, is now a bush pilot in Alaska and I can get in touch with him and send him a copy of your photo and see whether he remembers anything about the graphics. It will take me a while to get in touch with him.
You are correct, according to Dave (Godfather) there is no information other than the shipping invoice, and it doesn't say anything about the graphics. If it was done at West Coast, there would be no records, but as I said above, I will inquire of Ralph Jr. Insofar as to the references to the Asians painting the boats, actually, Ronnie Arnold probably painted 90% of the '73 through '76 boats. He was the one who so badly wanted to use flame. We had hired another painter named Paul Anderson, and it was he who taught Ronnie to do flame. Shortly after that Ronnie was promoted to the prototype shop. He is the one who did the work on the rear deck of the SN when we changed from the aluminum clearance bar to the raised fiberglass on the 1977 rear deck. We then had a Vietnamese named Dai Nguen painting the boats along with Paul. Dai is the guy who painted Ski Nautique on the 1961 boat which some of you are familiar with, and when I met the truck with the boat on it at Callaway Gardens for the '77 Masters, I noticed that Nautique was misspelled! Got some acetone at the hardware store and took it off. To the best of my knowledge, the graphics on some of the '73s were done by hand by a sign painter. We then had stencils cut, the stencil was a one-time stencil on frisket paper. It was stuck to the boat, masked off, sprayed, and pulled off. The stencils were what enabled us to do the black shading around the perimeter of the letters, that might have started in '75, I'm not sure. Ronnie Arnold came up with that idea. He simply took an airbrush and went around the letters before removing the stencil. Walt Meloon Jr. was President in those days, his father was the CEO. Walt made all the decisions about what went on in the factory. I will show him the photos of the graphics and ask whether he recalls anything about any boats being painted that way. We still don't have an explanation for the vinyl graphics, though. As someone said, who had a computer in 1975, let alone a computer-driven vinyl cutter. |
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Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen....
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I spoke with Mr. Ralph on Friday with Larry Shea. We ask him and showed him the photo of this boat and he said, he does not recall this boat.. Or the factory doing this design to an Ski. I think the dealer can answer more, but they are no longer open. But I will still do some more digging.
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Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen....
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I said it before but I'll say it again, this thread is awesome. I can't help but notice that the name of the dealer Angie supplied, Ralph Maloon, is startling similar to our own Mr. Ralph Meloon...does anyone know if Mr. Ralph worked in Sacramento in the mid 70s? Or is anyone on thread in a position to ask him? Maybe someone with a white and green mustang...?
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Could this be Stiffler's mom, from 1975 ?
edit: Appologies- bad joke, bad timing, wrong Stiffler. edit: The part of this story that I do believe is that the boat in question, left the factory in Orlando looking exactly like the '75 in this pic. (w/optional ladder) |
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Very fun to see the history come together. Thanks for sharing.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
1987 Ski Nautique |
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Thanks for pursuing this and sharing .its really pretty interesting
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Jerry does all the custom lettering at my buddy's boat shop in San Jose.
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