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Dreaming
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Form and Function's V drive
Seacamper - Take a look at this thread.... F&F is well versed in the 2001, and put together a beautiful, well thought out project. He explains a lot of his desicions on how he decided on some of the parts he chose... He probably took a lot of flack for not being true to the original, but did come out with a very nice user friendly boat. |
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akabulla
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EDIT.....Wrong discussion doh!
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seacamper
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WOW! Thats quite a mod! A tip of the hat to F&F on that. I could have missed the "tone" of his reply so if I did, F&F, my apologies. |
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1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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bkhallpass
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Not true. Ski Pro Accessories has been making the pylon mount Trakker since 1990. BKH |
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Livin' the Dream
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WakeSlayer
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I see both sides. I had a tower on my 92BFN, and would not change that one bit. I would definitely not waste the money doing it to my 90SN. I also would not put one on a pre-82 CC.
The 89 is largely sought after because of the unique boarding wake it throws. If the boat is perfect or near so, I would not install one, but really, if that is your boarding boat, and you are not planning on getting a V-drive (or making one, in Ryan's case ) do what you want, it is your boat. |
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SNobsessed
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Guys - I have an '89 & didn't know the wake was unique. I thought it was the same hull as the earlier 2001's. Was there a change in '89 from previous years to the hull shape?
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seacamper
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No. I think there was thread creep. I think what people are saying is the 2001 series got a reputation among wakeboarders because of its deeper v. At slolom speeds, the boat had a great rep because of its ability to produce a minimal wake in most conditions but it was beat by other boats on glass. It was designed as a 3 event boat and CC chose a deeper V to field more lake conditions. The deeper V ended up giving a nice wake by mistake for the up and coming wake board craze. When wake boats started being made, many noted the 2001 series already threw a great wake and with sacks, was outstanding.
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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Hollywood
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Some of the reasoning in here is crap. You can put your mirror on the windshield frame. The tower will still need to be folded down. On a closed bow boat, a tower just doesn't make sense to me. If skiing off the short pylon is too hard try tubing. |
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seacamper
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This sure is a bare knuckle forum!
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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akabulla
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We aren't talking about only skiing. We are talking about wakeboarding. Have you tried wakeboarding off a short ski pole? It isn't crap reasoning. My mirror is a good foot off the top of my windshield. I had it on my windshield and I hated it because it really blocks your view when sitting high on the chair and looking over the windshield. |
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Hollywood
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Look through the windshield, that's why it's clear glass. If you know what you're doing you can perform all the same tricks from any pull height. I do put up the Skylon if I'm struggling with something new.
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8122pbrainard
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I don't know Kev, I've been thinking about a tower or a extended pylon to help me out with my tubing. I need a "crutch"!! |
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akabulla
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not true! When you do tricks that require you to keep tension on the rope it will pull you out of the sky and back to the water much faster when the tow point is lower.
I have wakeboarded on a low tow point and it was terrible! Your funny Pete :) |
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Hollywood
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Why not both?!
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mdvalant
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If you want to be a stand out wakeboarder, why jeopardize your possible career/tournament status by skiing on a short pole?
If you want to compete with the big dogs, you have to give yourself a chance. They use nitrous, now you have to. That sorta thing. |
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Hollywood
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Sounds like plenty of tension, what's the problem?
Defintely truth in that so you better be smooth if you want to make it! So you're saying you can't do anything on wakeboard w/o a tower pull? If everyone is doing a 360 on a high pull and you can do it off the low, that tiny extra air from the high pull might net you a 540. Now YOU win! Challenge yourself and you'll progress much quicker. |
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storm34
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If you think you are in need of a tower to pull off a certain trick think again and read this page if you have not already seen it.
No crutch Most people want to say a tower will help them throw their first invert or make them a better boarder. Yes, there are advantages to a tower. Reality is, they need to work on their technique and timing instead. I love when all the kids on our lake with $70K Xstars come out on saturdays and try inverts when they cant do the basics. I wonder why they all get pissed and cus at my buddies when we roll by in our SN (no extended pylon) and throw inverts on a trick ski! A tower DOESN'T make you a great wakeboarder! |
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seacamper
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Thats so true. My 10 and 8 year olds suck! What pussies! Really, what was I thinking? In the few times that we make it out skiing, I need to keep pushing them to excell! Screw that wake board tower! They are going to drop and give me 20 every time they FAIL to excel verses just having a hoot of a time! If they still can't progress, I think its time for a blanket party! The truth? They can't handle the truth!
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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mdvalant
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You're right Chris, It doesn't. But, it can make a great wakeboarder better.
I've never skied off a tower, always on a standard '90 pylon. I am skilled in rallies, Scarecrows, Backrolls, Tantrums, Handlepass 3's, etc etc... But, I do agree with most of you on the fact that the closed bow boats don't look right with the towers. 206 or bigger for me... JMHO |
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Hollywood
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Hey at least they are doing something, most of those boats around here are pulling double tubers...off the tower! |
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bkhallpass
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Akabulla, on this you are just wrong. I've posted before a video of Scott Byerly doing tricks that most will never touch behind a barefoot malibu outboard on a low pole. Shapiro and Parks did the same behind ski boats with low pylons, for a long time. I've pulled local riders doing tricks off the low pole that few will ever pull off. It's about the skill of the rider. It has little to do with the height of the tow point. There are a limited number of tricks for which the rider needs to get great height to pull off the trick. Examples include the speedball and the 1080. There are probably less than 200 people in the world that can do these types of tricks. A high tow point does present certain advantages, but to say that it is required is just not correct. BKH |
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Morfoot
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Before I bought my 2001 I owned a Fish-n-Ski and wakeboarded behind it with a just a ski pole for bass boats. Trimmed up the motor and filled the live wells and I was throwing Tantrums, backrolls, front flips and I was in my early 30's doing it. YES, I had to work hard at learning tricks but I know it made me a better boarder. I'll agree that from a Skylon or tower it is easier but not necessary.
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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akabulla
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I never said it was required. All I said is you will stay in the sky longer with a higher tow point which I still stand by.
I have seen the videos you posted with Scott and they are very impressive. It is a wonder we even have Super Air Nautiques with Towers when we would be just as well off with a POS outboard and wakeboard just as good! |
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mdvalant
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Forget the fish-n-ski. I got a 16ft flat bottom with a 30hp johnson that I do all my moves off of.
Put 2 anchors in the back and 6 gallons of gas..shooooo. |
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akabulla
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Now we're talking! Let me know if you ever put that puppy on Craigslist. |
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emccallum
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Very interesting thread. From what I see, most of the 50K plus wakeboarding boats I see are just cruising around blasting music, with wakeboards still on the racks! Most of them cant ski, so they tube or wakeboard! Around here, wakeboarding is more image,than talent. I usually tell the kids to try something that takes effort....skiing. Or as my T-shirt says "If it was easy, they would call it wakeboarding"
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mdvalant
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haha funny part is, in HS I did rig up a little quick clip system to be able to pull skiers behind it......
put many hours on it when I didn't feel like taking care of a boat all day like we do the ski :) lol It's more like a hunt/fish/ski boat. I learned to barefoot behind it when I was about 8. |
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storm34
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All we are saying is you should not justify needing a tower to pull off the tricks. Yes, a high tow point might get you another .002 seconds in the air if you are just learning, but it will not make drastic improvement in your riding unless you are elite. If you have a nicely preserved 2001 it's not worth destroying with a tower in my opinion. |
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TX Foilhead
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You guys are missing the point, a tower is really a coat rack for your boat. I now I would have many stiches and some really bad looking upholstery if we tried to cram 4 or 5 foils in the boat. With everything off the floor it also make getting to the cooler easier.
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storm34
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I can understand that, at the same time if they are just skiing ad boarding then the bow storage is a nice place for all the gear. We had plenty of space in our 88 for 2 boards and 2 slaloms along with a few skiers, vests, towels and more importantly...the cooler! PS- Don, thought you might want to see this link, saw in another thread you were looking for original decals to have as replacements. |
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