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Luchog wrote: if the plugs are dry I dont think you have a cracked head or cylinder.. you could pull the intake and inspect there for leaks.

I was wondering the same. What if I messed up the installation... don't know how. Used the right gasket, permatex high temp, torqued the bolts to spec in the correct order.

One problem I was having before the "incident" was when I would gun it from a standstill, there was an intimidate pause. Then it would kick right in. Once it kicked in it was great, but there was always a half second pause.

I figured it was a timing or carb issue and never got a chance to figure it out before the freeze plug blew out.

Im with Pete. I really do have a 55 gallon drum filled with the a creamy milkshake. doesnt look good. someone put that expansion rubber plug in there for a reason, back up and think about it

depending on how much water got in the bilge and depending on the condition of the seal, it did sit with the water level high while getting the tow vehicle it's possible, as well has getting it too hot creating a problem that wasn't there before.

First course of action needs to be getting fresh oil back in and the motor heated up and dried out internally. If the milk returns then it has to come apart, we can all guess about the condition of the block but until it's fired with fresh oil it's all speculation and guessing.

79nautique wrote: First course of action needs to be getting fresh oil back in and the motor heated up and dried out internally. If the milk returns then it has to come apart, we can all guess about the condition of the block but until it's fired with fresh oil it's all speculation and guessing.

OK there's my answer to that.
I'll put some fresh oil in after work and get her going.

Thanks guys!

David, I've been following this post and it's been breaking my heart. The "red boat" was one of my favorites last year. I live over by Texas Motor Speedway and if there is aanything I can do it help, just let me know and I'll shoot over.

Greg is Buxton's lead mechanic, he also builds motors on the side. He's a wrench guy and could likely help. Jim (Buxton) retired and no longer works uo there but he may know where an old block is if it's a worse case scenerio.

So i have her running with fresh oil. I hope shes ok cus she sounds really good. Not sure if she will get up to temp in the yard, been going around 15 minutes and still just above 120.

Checked the stick and there was a small bit of white. Figured it would take at least two flushes to get all out.

Thoughts?

My fingers are crossed!

Seem to be getting a knock when i go to restart. Goes away after she cranks. Could it have anything to do with the different oil, or is it a bad sign?

Well it was worth a try, Luchog your right. Water blasting out of number 4.

So where does that leave me?

Blown head gasket most probably?
Intake, I keep hoping? Number 4 is right next to the water passage that dead ends into the side of the head.

Whatever it is, I'll have a ton of questions that's for sure.

Right now I am letting next 5 gallon milkshake drain.

Thanks again!

I checked the plug hole and don't see any water dripping. On the compression the cylinder was filled with water up to the hole. I can pull the intake next and inspect.

Is there anything I can do in the mean time to help prevent any damage? Obviously everything is coated with wet oil.

There was a point in our trip out this weekend where it took a bit to get her started after sitting. But I doubt it was happening last year cus there was never any water in the oil until this weekend.

I'm wondering at what point do I haul it to a pro and have them figure it out.

Any ideas on what it would cost me to get back on the water? If it's the intake manifold $30 - $200. Other than that, I don't know. My understanding is that the head gasket involves machining. No idea what a new block would cost. I assume it's an entire rebuild at that point.

Ryan, might be calling one of your buddies after a little more inspection.

vondy wrote: There was a point in our trip out this weekend where it took a bit to get her started after sitting. But I doubt it was happening last year cus there was never any water in the oil until this weekend.

Unless your rings are REALLY worn, water wont get through them to the oil pan. Water is mixing with oil elsewhere. Water inside the cylinder and water in the oil could be 2 faces of the same coin (Cracked cylinder head or block) but they could be 2 different things also.

you assumed you had a flooding carb when you probably already had water inside the cylinder and the guys discussed carbs and intakes for 4-5 pages, then you assumed your plugs were good without checking the cylinders and some more pages rolled in.

Now re-read my last 2 post and please ask any questions, I believe it's pretty much covered there, but please stop making assumptions based on hunchs because they are costing you money and wont lead you to any solutions in the short range. What you take post something as a statement, other guys assume you know what you are talking about.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, we need to work on facts, take many pictures while you take it apart.

ok lets back up a second before things get torn apart. The possibility exists that the water in 4 four came from another source besides a cracked head, faulty intake gasket, or a blown head gasket. Yes they are all valid points, But since he didn't see any new water after it was blown out, and if it was leaking from a gasket or crack then there would have been much more water.

I suggest draining the oil again and installing the new filter, fire it back up again and double checking everything a second time.

If water shows up again and again there is water in number 4 cyclinder, then pull the intake and have a professional install it, easy thing to mess up, the intake has to go straight down, you can't slide it into place and not have a problem. So drain and refill and see if you get the same results a second time if so then it'll be time to get the wrenches out and remove the exhaust manifold and have it pressure tested, if that is good then the intake needs to come off and inspect the area around the water jacket port. You did put a nice bead of RTV around the port with no gaps and on both sides of the gasket when you installed it didn't you?

Luchog wrote: Vondy did you crank until there wasn't any water coming out of number 4?? if so, did you crank it again after a while and more water came out?

Yes after a while I went back and turned the engine over, I did not start it, and there was water in number 4. Clear water, lots of it.