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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Next question for the inquisitive mind...Did CC prefinish the hull before installing the splash rails or guards? I think this one may have come without and these could have been added as an accessory. If it's pre splash vintage than they will not be going back on.
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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We would love to meet you and to have a look at this on going resto. We will be there next year too. Billy
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Takers? |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Time to buy adhesive. How many tubes? White or mahogany? How about the fasteners? Some of the brass screws are still in a good condition with clean slots, any reason not to reuse?
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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Not sure how far you're going down. Did you say you were removing the plywood now, all the way down to frames? That's what I would do without hesitation. It will expose any further rot issues and give you an opportunity to remove, clean and refasten all the frame knee braces. You need to get that frame nice and sound before going any further.
I would recommend starting with one case of 5200 (12 tubes) and see how far it goes. You will need plenty more but by then you'll know how far it goes. Buy new silicone bronze Frearson head screws too, the old ones may snap when tightened back down but even if they don't those slotted screws are a PITA. The 5200 and fasteners are the most expensive part of the rebuild for you but I wouldn't compromise at this point. |
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You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
I totally agree with Alan. Go for a case of the 5200 and yes on the silicone bronze Frearson. BTW, you should have the silicone bronze screws in the hull already??? |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Thanks for the info Alan. I will follow the advice. I am taking all the plywood off and will address all the knee braces etc. Think the 5200 mat be available at HD. Know I can get it at Jamestown. Will check pricing. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Will do Pete, I haven't put anything back together yet so no new fasteners. Was waiting to make that decision and the time is here. Would like to hear your input on the picture posted above regarding pre finish behind the splash guard. |
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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Jack, white 5200 is $12.99 and Mahagony is $14.99 at Jamestown, that's about the best I've been able to find lately. Thankfully I'm done spending money on that stuff. I have heard that some HD stores have it now but don't know the cost.
If you buy from Jamestown and they do not have a free freight special running use "Flat5" in the coupon code when checking out and that will get you $5 freight on your entire order. |
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You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
I don't feel the splash rail was an option. I'd have to say that CC simply finished the hull and then screwed the rail on. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=11151&partNumber=5376793&langId=-1
Is this the proper fastener? |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Link to West Those are oval heads. Don't you need flats for the hull?
You may find a better selection and I know better pricing at Jamestown |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Thanks Pete, figured I needed the flat heads and Jamestown has a better price. Looks like I may need about 700 in several sizes. Is there any discussion as to when to use waterproof carpenters glue and when to use 5200 I think I should bond the three piece upper transom member with waterproof white glue then CPES. |
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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Jack, Maybe a few update photos of the upper transom members you are referring to would help.
Regarding the waterproof carpenters glue are you talking about polyurethane like Gorilla Grip? I haven't seen anyone use a water proof carpenter glue anywhere on a wood boat resto yet. IF it where me I would use thickened epoxy if you are laminating anything or 5200 if you are bedding pieces together at a joint. Again, pictures of the repair would be helpful |
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You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
I wouldn't even consider a PVA (white/yellow)glue even if you use the claimed to be "waterproof" Titebond III. The only thing I would use and only in areas where you don't see any movement such as the stem lamination is a urethane or epoxy. The reason 5200 has been so successful with wood boat hulls is it will flex to a point. The opposite is true with epoxy and the reason the failure rate is very high. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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I suspected that. Glad I asked. Will CPES act as a bonding agent. Not sure how to assemble the three piece upper frame member on the transom and have to repair the bottom also before re-skinning it. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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The problem with not reading back a post or two. My question answered. I am loading more pics today Alan. Thanks for the input. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Should I thicken with cabosil? |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
No on the CPES for bonding. It's a sealer and a primer. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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slow on the uptake but i'm getting there. i do have some epoxy left from a fiberglass job. think it will be suitable for the needed repairs and will use the 5200 in the appropriate areas. |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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In my experience, cabosil is a great light-weight filler, but your end product will be super hard(almost unworkable)...if that makes any sense. Milled fiber is another good choice. |
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dochockey ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September-16-2009 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 638 |
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how many of these were made?
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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really wish I had more information. I haven't been able to find a serial plate and can only go by the PO's information and the motor serial number. was told this was a kind of rare hull. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Although a bit out of order I couldn't arrange to flip the boat quite yet, so, have been repairing the transom to keep my little fingers active.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
I suggest putting it all back together with 5200. I'd also replace the transom frame gussets. I replaced them all (complete frame) on my Atom since the ply wasn't in great shape. Before you get too far, check the aft lifting ring bracket and bolts to make sure they are still sound. Are you still going to try and salvage the deck ply? |
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Cabosil's sole purpose in life is to make your resin thicker. If you want to add strength to it then milled fibers is the way to go! |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Seems like milled fibers would be the best thickening method. Could this be very fine ground sawdust? |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
No, milled fibers are basically glass fibers. Wood flour is one of the fillers used with epoxy but it's VERY low strength, easy to sand and is used for fairing. Get out of the old days when a carpenter would screw up and us white glue and sawdust as a fix! ![]() ![]() |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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I do hope to salvage the deck. it is sound and looks to be glued tok the frames with recourcinol sp? would probably tear frames apart removing it. I isin surprisingly good condition. The gussets need to b replaced. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Actually my goal here is to get a complete bond with as little mess as possible. My thought is to wet out each mating side and clamp them together. Skip the thickeners.
I am referring here to the upper chord on the transom frame which is a composite of three thicknesses. |
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