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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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It's not so much the weight of white oak that bothers me.
It's the un-stability over time. It was a phone call inquiry on the mahogany, so I haven't seen it. I asked for mahogany, the kid on the phone said: "Yep, we got some, it's been back there for awhile." I've been waiting for things to quit carving into the wallet to go and buy all of it. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack, Silicon bronze fastenings and no matter what type of lumber you put back in, I highly recommend a CPES treatment. BTW, with only the Gray 4-75 engine, the extra weight may make a difference. CC had higher HP options. Still, a Junior with the 75 should move along at about 35 but you may have to throw you wife overboard to compensate for the White Oak's extra weight! ![]() |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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I agree, I've seen some pretty weird shapes of White Oak frames come out of a hull!! To the point of pulling fasteners!! |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Steve, Well, as a ACBS member, this puts me in a "tight spot" since I feel the comment was sarcastic?? If it was, I love you too!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Thanks to Pete and DRCC for the input. It sure helps in the decision making process. I will sure shop around for mahogany before I purchase anything. The original stringer measures 1 5/8' thickness and I think by the way it rests on the perches that is the optimum thickness. DrCC knows the rules about wimen on the boat. I do plan to CPES every part I put on this boat but it is important to note that oak weighs in very heavily on the rot resistant scale and that is a very important consideration as we note that all previous replacement has been from rot.
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Air206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-28-2008 Location: Roanoke, VA Status: Offline Points: 3000 |
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Pete, First of all..... Love ya Man! What had me laughing was the link.... I don't think anyone looked at the hyperlink.... what a wild bunch of double speak! Wayyy too funny ...... BTW - I am easily distracted on this site..... I follow link after link after link..... sometimes it actually pays off! ![]() |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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That's only because CC' surface planer wasn't working that day!! ![]()
Absolutely and the reason many of the premium boat builder used it but, you shouldn't have to worry about it too much since, you're doing the CPES. Also, I don't feel the Junior will be sitting in the water for extended periods of time. |
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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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I could have sworn I've heard someone say that
Sarcasm was the most flattering form of affection. |
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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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You'll have to admit that thirty five bucks a year makes for a pretty expensive fifty cent newsletter.
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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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If anyone would have bothered getting out the tape measure they'd find all stringers were 1 5/8".
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Now thats a helpful piece of information I couldn't get elsewhere. Thanks. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Wow, now I'll need to take the tape measure and see what the X55's and the Atom's stringer thickness is!! ![]() Al, BTW it's not a "newsletter" but a magazine and it's called the "Rudder". When was the last time you took a look at it? I've been a member since 1979 and have always found it to be a wonderful group. Of course the local chapter does make a big difference. You must have a bunch of AH's down by you!! ![]() ![]() |
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Billy, You are correct as far as this being a problem area and I did forget to mention it. It's the low spot of almost evey older wood hull. It's more of a problem with double planked hulls. The water sitting/trapped between the two layers seems to contribute to rot at that point. Yes, CC went real cheap (as well a other areas) on the stem and used ply to laminate up the curvature of the stem. ![]() Every time a topic like this comes up and we talk about the old "hackers" out there in the CC shop comes up, I shutter!! ![]() |
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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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The "Rudder" was probably the number one choice for the magazine title. Had they selected "The Shaft" well....
that would have been way too obvious. How far off is my 35.00 per year guess? All kidding aside, I just don't feel my '74 is classic enough for me to give them my gas money. |
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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DRCC, Gotta disagree with your reasoning on the cost of membership.The magazine is first class, the best friends money can buy at any show.We are members of a chapter 550 miles from us, the chapter closest to us just did not "FIT". We kept our membership in ACBS and found a chapter better suited to our needs" Sunnyland Chapter" in cental Florida was the home we were looking for.
You sure are missing a lot, IMHO.....35.00 wont give me an afternoon ride.... |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Interesting and insightful observations here. I think I have just the stem described by Pete and perhaps a leak to be determined where the stem meets the keel as Billy points out. I will need to rebuild the stem from the inside out. This is the next job after the stringers and before flipping the hull and tending to the bottom needs. I will be looking for backyard methods of rolling the boat at that time. |
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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come on guys the stems aren't that bad.
![]() Billy is you stem actually plywood? Mine was at least mahagony. If the stem in that boat is suspect you will never get it repaired without pulling it apart, it is a lot of work but woth it when it comes out solid as a rock ![]() ![]() |
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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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Absolutely. Re-building a bow stem from the inside would be one neat trick I've never seen before.
In fact this would be one area where I would re-build the bow stem with one piece of over dimension stock like a Chris Craft. |
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DrCC ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-12-2004 Location: at home Status: Offline Points: 2867 |
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Well actually the entire stem would be two piece with one "S" joint.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Steve, I never went to Al's "ACBS" link!! I did now!! ![]() |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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Al, that link was a riot. The ACBS does a great job of putting on shows. From what I've seen around here their members aren't into Correct Crafts. There's definitely way more knowledge and interest on CCF.
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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Yes a traditional stem and gripe would make things easier than building a laminated one like I did. No jig to build, no steaming, no glue up. That was a quite a time consuming process. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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You did a fine piece of work on the stem rebuild. Did you put all new hull material on also? I was trying to stay away from that but do have some marine ply if needed. Thought about making the stem from solid material and in a few pieces. The modern glues are more friendly than resourcinol and perhaps with a strategic reassembly and reglueing in place I may be able to get the repair accomplished. Remains to be seen. I have made many a chair with steam bending and the process though time consuming can be rewarding as is apparent in your stem rebuild. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Pictures of the Gray that came in her. I have no reason not to think it's original.
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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Yes my project has new bottom and topside planking as I had several frame repairs to make. You'd have to refasten the hull side & bottom plywood to the new stem anyway so might as well just remove the fasteners and let the ply move away from the stem a few inches so you can get good access. It is done all the time without complete removal and you'll know exactly what you've got for a structure, might find some rot in the chines at the stem that need addressing. |
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juniorwoody ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2011 Location: Oak Hill, Fl Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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I suspect this repair is best done with the boat upside down so that will be the next challenge as soon as the new stringers are in place. Best way to flip a boat in the garage or driveway is what I'll be looking for. Then the fun begins. I do have some heavy duty dollies to keep under the boar longer term.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
That hull isn't that heavy. If you have the manpower, you can roll it over on a few old tires and movers blankets. Just screw some temporary bracing between the gunnels. I'd "X" brace low to high on a couple of frames. |
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Offline Points: 5776 |
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This is obviously not a correct craft but shows you can open them up with out complete removal of the sides. Gives you much better acces for repairs.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Jack,
What are you planning on doing with the chewed up ply hull sides where it meets the stem. Hopefully you're not just planning on covering it up with a cutwater - That Junior never came with one and that wouldn't be very original!! ![]() ![]() |
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