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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-30-2008 at 11:13am
Bruce, The "boot" is just plain cooling/radiator hose.

A good puller (3 or 4 arm depending on the prop) that puts even force around the hub will pull the prop with out much or no hammering. The picture of my puller was lost with the sites host switch. It's also up north plus I deleted it off both photobucket and my computer! It was very similar to the one Eric made and uses.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-30-2008 at 10:43am
Pete, is the boot on the shaft log just water line or some sort of ordinary hose?

Not much room to work with, with that prop puller. Maybe put a thinner nut on it to keep the prop from flying off when it releases? Once you get the puller tight, you should wack it with a big hammer to get it to release. The puller is not supposed to release it by just tightening it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-30-2008 at 10:32am
Greg B, I've never really cared for the C clamp style of prop puller because they will always bend and not put equal force around the hub of the prop. If the puller you have doesn't do it, you may need to get a different one or even a gear puller. They can be stubborn!

Greg Buffalo, Keeping the prop nut loosely (look close-there is space between it and the prop)on the shaft is actually the preferred method. When the taper lets loose, it keeps the prop from flying off and hitting the floor.

saffer, The coupling halves can really rust together and you may just need the BFH! That's a big f*****g hammer and something heavier like a cold chisel to drive between the faces. (Any nicks on the faces from the chisel must be carefully filed off) Also, check the location of the shaft safety collar. It is a stainless "ring" around the shaft between the shaft packing nut and the flange. It will have 1 or 2 allen head set screws in it. It may have slipped back or been positioned incorrectly against the packing nut.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-30-2008 at 10:24am
Originally posted by baumanmt baumanmt wrote:

I was told to take the rubber hose off at the Stuf. box to see if the shaft was centered.

Greg, if you mean what I said, I meant to remove the boot at the log so that it doesn't interfere with checking the line-up at the strut. The boot and stuffing box are a water seal and not structural; the boot will also develope 'memory' from being in a given position for a long time. This is why you may need to pop it off to center the shaft. See if your drive shaft is centered in the front and rear of the cutlass bearing at the same time.

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Is the prop nut still on there?!!?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-30-2008 at 4:59am
brainard- I'm up in Whitefish, Mt. and build houses, it is year around, but some winters are tough. I had the puller on pretty tight and was heating it up. It was 30 degrees in my garage so prop and shaft are really cold, and I didn't want to heat it up so much that I hurt the cutless bearing? Do I tighten the puller nut as much as possible, and if so what is a safe way to stop the prop from spinning? Here is a pic of the puller I'm using. Thanks

saffer- I am by no means the expert on any of this, but I was where you are a couple of weeks ago. You do need the two couplings to come apart in order to check your alighnment and I dont think taking apart your stuffing box (brass nuts) will help with the seperation. You may let some penetrater soak in over night, and wait for Eric to respond. I was told to take the rubber hose off at the Stuf. box to see if the shaft was centered. Start at the first page of this topic (alighnment) and I think you will answer a lot of your own questions. I hope that helps.     BaumanMt
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Hi Guys
Cant get the two edges seperated no matter how hard i "gently" try with a screwdriver, any suggestions?
Also, the shaft is not centre on bit where it leaves through the hull, from top of boat standing looking down, and to correct it any more would mean i have to take off the starter as it is in the way to get engine any further to starboard!
It still seems the coupling edges are equal all round, or is it cos they are rusted together.
What would i expect to achieve and see if i take off the BIG nuts in front of the rubber hose? necessary?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 9:31pm
Greg (baumanmt) I just noticed that you are in northern Montana! Not to often that we get someone here from that area. My college days were spent at Montana State back in the early 70's. After graduating, I went to work at Chet Huntley's Big Sky. I worked there for a year and a half and then realized that working construction in the area was seasonal. In order for me to stay I would have had to find one of the rich ranchers daughters but that didn't work!! Came back home to the Midwest but certainly miss Montana.

Do get a prop puller or at least a gear puller that will fit. You want a constant pressure on the prop taper. Greg mentioned heat and that will work in combination with the puller. Don't slide hammer it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by baumanmt baumanmt wrote:

The reason I dont like to take my toys anywhere around here to get worked on is the prop shop I borrowed the puller from told me to just crank it down and beat on the back of prop. I'm no expert, but that sure seems like it would be like beating on the trany.

Have you tried the search feature here? There are many good thoughts and procedures here in the archives. I agree that you don't want to smak it. You probably know that it's a taper fit, and if either part has a bur or whatever, it will be tough to get off.

I think I remember a "torque up the puller, heat the center of the prop a bit, and have a beer while you wait for it to pop" procedure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 8:08pm
i swear to you guy's, I had a PCM 1.23 with a completly busted off back end from the old slide hammer trick, its not a good idea,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 7:47pm
I wish I was in your neighborhood, cause now I'm out trying to get my prop off and even that doesnt seem to be going as easy as I thought. I figured I would get that off so when I get it alighned I woudnt have to tweak on anything. The reason I dont like to take my toys anywhere around here to get worked on is the prop shop I borrowed the puller from told me to just crank it down and beat on the back of prop. I'm no expert, but that sure seems like it would be like beating on the trany.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 5:03pm
Greg, I forget if you're in my neighborhood...drag it on by if you are!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 4:54pm
Thanks Greg, sure is nice when we're all in a good mood?!!? LOL

On the wrenches, half of this will help...maybe. As noted, your mounts are diff than mine so this may not help at all. Get a good quality crescent wrench and you can tighten it on the nut/bolt. I've had a time or 2 when I couldn't get the whole wrench on the nut, but a good wrench tightened down will hold most times. Maybe not if the hardware hasn't moved in a while. The other part that won't help is a set of open end wrenches I got from my grandfather...they look handmade(almost) and fit just so. I can't loan those out...sorry.

One other thing; I think you would do better with the rubber boot disconnected, prop it with a block of wood and check to see if it's centered in the strut. From this point is when the engine gets moved. Hope that makes sense. Also make sure you don't over extend any of the mounts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 4:40pm
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   I didn't mean to leave you out of the thank you , you have also helped me, so thanks a lot. I did get in there and start moving things around, but I have yet to figure out what size wrench fits those mount bolts (for up and down adjustment). I think it may be metric? It seems like my whole motor needs to be shifted over, you can see in the pic that the whole things is over about a 1/4 inch. I can move the driveshaft over to it, but I know that isn't the answer. Motor to driveshaft, not vise versa. Thanks Greg
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 4:07pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 4:07pm
Welcome Saffer- I too am a new SN owner and have had a ton of questions already, and I haven't even started my boat yet! The guys on this site are awsome! These guys are walking me through some of my projects and dont even give me a hard time when I ask stupid questions - ( which seems to happen often ). I'm not sure of your boat experience, but stuff does seem a lot easier when I read it here verses when I get out in the garage and actually try what I read. Eric and Brainard are super patiant and I thank them for that. I live in northern Montana and dont trust anyone with my moto or the new boat. Greg
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 3:07pm
saffer, We are glad you found this site and will give you the best advice we can. There are lots of people here with lots of knowledge. Eric is our transmission specialist (his business) so he knows first hand the importance of prop shaft/engine alignment. He has repaired many a trans that was damaged by someone who didn't know or care about the alignment. You do not want to have to deal with trans problems so DO NOT drive that boat until it is checked. It sounds like there is a problem. Keep us informed.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 12:44pm
I might be on borrowed time here so I'll make it quick, the couplings sometimes will rust together and may be tough to pry apart, it is imperative that you get these apart and check your initial alignment, the shaft must be centered going thru the bottem of the boat. at this point i would get all the bolts needed and installed and start by shifting the engine to its original perch, then start with youe align, this sounds like it will be an all day job but you must get this straightened out or many more major problems will arise   btw, in the background...is he doing what i think he's doing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-29-2008 at 5:24am
hi Eric
Newbie here.Great read, thanks for the info.
Decided to take a look at the "gearbox" (South african in New zealand) and found the left mount (looking from the back) had NO bolts in it (bought the boat from USA- Vegas a month ago), so I have a job ahead.
Although the coupling halves are "flush", but i cant pry them apart anyway(what is recommended to force them apart, does that mean they could be misaligned? but tightened by previous owner to fit tight?.
Also noted the shaft running into the rubber hose is "lopsided" and touches one side, but not the other so i assume the whole motore has to be moved to the right (looking to the front)
Any ideas guys if this is someone you knows boat? been in NZ about 3-4 months (without tower- about 500 hrs)
Look forward to many hours on this site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-27-2008 at 1:06am
well the 1 1/16 didn't fit either, so it must be metric?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-26-2008 at 2:11pm
There is the nut on top and one under that - the top one seems like the locking nut or the one used to lower the motor on that side - I stuck a cresent wrench on to get my size, but when I got home it was sloopy, maybe it is an 1 1/16? Not a big deal I just need to bring more of my friends tools to my house and find the correct size, I dont want to strip anything! Thanks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-26-2008 at 7:22am
Originally posted by baumanmt baumanmt wrote:

Hey guys I got two wrenches both 1 1/8 and they are not a snug fit- what size are these four bolts? They are not metric are they? Sorry so stupid,     Greg


Greg, A 3/4" nut should be a 1&1/8" hex. How did you measure?


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Hey guys I got two wrenches both 1 1/8 and they are not a snug fit- what size are these four bolts? They are not metric are they? Sorry so stupid,     Greg
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-22-2008 at 10:58pm
Eric, your right I'm shooting for perfect (.ooo) - Ended up not getting those 1 1/8 nuts loose- need to go get another wrench. Thanks
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you can do better than .003....shoot for .000
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-22-2008 at 8:03pm
That all makes sense to me guys, I'm headed out to the garage now to loosen the other 4 nuts and start playing with it. I'm gonna get my alignment within .003 of each other and get my shaft to spin nice and easy- I'll keep you posted, Thanks again
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-22-2008 at 4:51pm
Greg, Shaft concentricity in the cutlass is a tough one. It's more of feeling the rotation of the shaft for freedom of rotation and comparing that to where the shaft goes through the hull and the shaft log. Hopefully the strut hasn't moved or has been bent and the factory did a good job of lining the strut up with the boat. I mentioned in another thread about using a plastic bushing instead of the rubber so the shaft is concentric but that was for replacing and re mounting a new strut.

Blocks of wood and a pry bar against the base of the mounts are good for side to side adjustment.


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your moving the engine to match the shaft not vica versa, when complete you can still have a good alignment at the trans end but look at the strut and make sure the shaft is going thru it concentrically, it is possible to have the entire package to one side and get a good alignment and the shaft may be cocked inside the rubber bushings and you will see this because it may squeeze the bushing on one side and 180 degrrees on the other side you may have a slight gap, so that means you would have to shift the whole engine towards the gapped side, if you dont understand maybe someone can explain it more clearly
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Hey Buffalo what do you use to tell if the shaft is centered in the strut bore, and what do I pry the motor around with without damaging boat bottom or stringers.   Baumanmt
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-21-2008 at 12:14pm
Greg, get in there with some good wrenches and get the feel for it. You'll be adjusting the engine in 3D, so yes, you'll use all of the adjustments. Have you established that the shaft is happy where it is(centered in the strut bore)?

The good wrenches thing is because you may have some aluminum hardware and a cruddy wrench will do more harm than good. Mine is alum but is a different setup.
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