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    Posted: July-10-2013 at 12:07am
Just read this whole thread. Sweet rebuild. Looks new at the end! Did you ever record the motor running? If not, could you record it and upload? Would love to see this running and hear it. Amazing that people still do this. I wish I could do that!

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Dan,
It's still sitting on the garage floor hooked up to the engine hoist. One of these days I need to push it out into the driveway and give it a few cranks!!!


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Hey Pete

Any news on this project??
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Dan,
I just received a very rare, very small NOS Zenith flame arrestor I found on ebay. Due to the carb not being a newer design (came out after WWII) with the throat that tilts upward, I felt it was a good idea to put the arrestor on. (even with the upturned throat) The throat that tilts upward, keeps any extra fuel that may be present say from a stuck needle and seat hopefully in the carb and not dribbling down into the bilge. I'm in the process of machining up a adapter to fit the arrestor to the carb. When done, I'll feel safer of giving that thing some cranks!! (fire extinguisher within view!! )

I'm anxious too!!


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Hey Pete, when are you going to try to start this thing?? We are waiting!
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Very Nice !   Great read... Nice to see the detail put into bring back this classic. Back about 83 we took 5 truck loads of 50's and 60's marine engines to the dump mostly outboards but lots of history lost.

My Grand father was I believe the first boat dealer in our area (post war). He is 87 and getting profficient with the computer. I'm going to try to get him to check this out.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

actually period correct, was there a requirement?

Thanks Eric. I thought the knife switch was a good choice too. Requirement? Well, yes! How else would you stop the engine? I thought about a flat piece of spring steel under the base bent up so when depressed it would touch the point shunt terminal but that was too "Briggs & Stratton" for me!


Pete, You could always submerge the motor to stop it like the PO did.

This is a neat project.   I read the whole thread just today.

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so did you get this thing to start??
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Originally posted by LaurelLakeSkier LaurelLakeSkier wrote:

Originally posted by uk1979 uk1979 wrote:

Great work Pete,when its running please post a UTube clip,.........

Oh boy, now Pete has a new challenge on his hands.

Actually two challenges!! The other is to figure out how to use the digital camcorder Didi gave me for my birthday.

Roger,
I've been warned to be careful with cranking this thing and am aware of the issue but thanks for the concern. Billy too keeps telling me to watch out!!! I'll be sure to retard it when cranking. The impulse coupling automatically retards 15* and then the manual retard is another 15* plus I did set the mag base timing just after TDC so I should be ok. I also carefully checked the ejection ramps on the hand crank.


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Pete, when I was a kid, 14 or so, i took a huskavarna snowmobile engine and mounted it on a tractor, it was direct drive, but the spark plug was located right in front of the seat by the family jewels, and you got it.....i did get zapped, i will never forget that...(the direct drive did not work very well) but it worked

but anyways I was referring to your plastic line not the switch
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Originally posted by uk1979 uk1979 wrote:

Great work Pete,when its running please post a UTube clip,.........

Oh boy, now Pete has a new challenge on his hands.
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Great work Pete,when its running please post a UTube clip,just watch your self when starting if its like the Vintage engines here if it kicks back on you, your arm or hand will know about it.
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WOW! Pete, I am so impressed! I loved reading through this! Can't wait to see the next chapter after Memorial Day!
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

actually period correct, was there a requirement?

Thanks Eric. I thought the knife switch was a good choice too. Requirement? Well, yes! How else would you stop the engine? I thought about a flat piece of spring steel under the base bent up so when depressed it would touch the point shunt terminal but that was too "Briggs & Stratton" for me!


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I'm going to wait until I get back from the Memorial day weekend but it's ready for gas and cranking!!

Carb is on along with the crankcase vent. Now, before someone says anything about my fuel line not meeting USCG regs, it's not in a boat yet so they can't do anything!! Really and obvious it's a temporary line to get the engine going. At least I got fuel rated tubing!! Also without a fuel pump on this engine, (it's gravity feed) no high pressure line to the carb!!



I called Mainely magneto's (mag builder who did the Bosch for me) the other day basically to review with him how I set up the mag for timing (it's good) and had one other question. As sood as I asked him what the terminal on the point case cover was for, it dawned on me!! It's funny that I had completely overlooked it. It's to hook up a switched shunt to ground from the point set - To stop the engine!! Then I started thinking about what kind of switch would be appropriate for 1927. A knife switch!! Good old ebay and the second ad I looked at was a perfect size - small.





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Mark,
Yes the flex is the crankcase vent. No valving back them - just right into the carb. Original? What do you think? It matches the pictures I have of the engine! I don't know if you caught that the valve cover was missing so I needed to fab one up. The original flex was gone with it so going by pictures is something that needs to be done at times. Typically you get the ruler out and scale from known dimensions.

Thanks for the compliment. I am having fun with it!


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Pete I am wondering what that flexible metal house coming out of the engine near the carby is? Just crankcase ventilation or something else?

And second question is it original?

Pete it looks great and has been lots of fun following this thread. It shows your attention to detail in every thing you do.
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Bob,
Your thoughts and effort is very appreciated.

Did you find anything else of interest digging through the barn? I've mentioned it before but you may have a ebay gold mine hidden in there!! You should really start going through it before the day comes when it's possible it may be auctioned off in a estate sale.


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Pete no luck on the clamps.I looked thru three drawers full and only came up with 2 both ugly and 2".
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Ryan,
In my research as well as saving paint chips off the engine before cleaning, I discovered the color to be a Alpine Green. It's currently available as "Detroit Diesel Alpine Green" by Duplicolor. Some here are using the same for 60's Interceptor Marine engines.

Dave,
It's going in a 1918 (approximate) launch I picked up off a island estate up north. It was the original boat used to ferry to the island as well as push a supply barge. It's a retirement project!! It needs more work than the engine!! After it, I'll move on to building the barge.

Thanks Chris, Getting close to seeing if it will run!

But Greg, didn't he tell you you could still see the stamped in numbers?? Plus, I seem to remember he didn't charge for the extra paint!


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I noticed that you didn't paint the tag. Eric can help with that.
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WOW!!!! Pete...impressive work! I probably missed it along the way, but, what boat are you going to put this in?
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That looks vert impressive. Pardon my ignorance of the older motors but that is a very unique paint color. Pete I'm sure it is as close if not original, but I got to ask. It reminds me of a motor that was on an old tractor that Mr. Yastremski had.
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I haven't received the carb rebuild kit yet but continued on with more small items like cutting gaskets for the carb flanged adapter.

Made the new linkage from the throttle to the carb.


I had to make a new throttle arm to get the throw longer to match the throttle.


With the carb located I could then locate the crankcase vent flex metal tubing and drill/tap the valve cover. The hole in the carbs inlet throat needs to be bored but I'll take that to work with me and set it up in one of the mills.


Mainelymagnetos forgot to send the coupling float with the mag and then sent the wrong one. It's the phenolic piece between the PTO coupling and the impulse coupling on the mag. I got the correct one so I was able to set the timing. I think I've got it correct. With the spring loaded impulse coupling it wasn't the easiest to determine when the mag fires. I marked the impulse housing at the point were it kicks over and then checked it against the point set opening. At that point I engaged the coupling just past TDC off the #1 cylinder with the distributor wiper on it's contact. At least with the manual advance/retard of what appears to be at least 30 degrees I think the timing point is quite forgiving. I'll see!!!


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The carb showed up and it's certainly a chunk of cast iron! I'm still waiting on the rebuild kit for the carb but got a start on the flanged adapter. Bores are all good but the mounting hole centers are different by 1/8". I also have a couple of pictures that do show a flanged tube between the manifold and the carb. I have a feeling they used a couple different carbs.

Here's the adapter gasket matched and ported!!



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Gary,
That would have been cool! As a kid, I always dreamed of having one of them too!!

I did win the carb off ebay. I've also ordered a rebuild kit which actually turned out to be a couple bucks more than the carb! Now it's on to welding up the flanged adapter tube. My plans are to put a layer of Bondo on the adapter and then distress it with my needle descaler to make to "look" like a casting.


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I took a complete Wisconsin v4 to salvage dealer a few years ago Pete, sorry it was a spare for when we had one of these.Sold it back in '72 and that spare sat here for almost 30 yrs.Dad finally said lets get that out of here.
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