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mdvalant
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You're right Chris, It doesn't. But, it can make a great wakeboarder better.
I've never skied off a tower, always on a standard '90 pylon. I am skilled in rallies, Scarecrows, Backrolls, Tantrums, Handlepass 3's, etc etc... But, I do agree with most of you on the fact that the closed bow boats don't look right with the towers. 206 or bigger for me... JMHO |
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seacamper
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Thats so true. My 10 and 8 year olds suck! What pussies! Really, what was I thinking? In the few times that we make it out skiing, I need to keep pushing them to excell! Screw that wake board tower! They are going to drop and give me 20 every time they FAIL to excel verses just having a hoot of a time! If they still can't progress, I think its time for a blanket party! The truth? They can't handle the truth!
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1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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storm34
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If you think you are in need of a tower to pull off a certain trick think again and read this page if you have not already seen it.
No crutch Most people want to say a tower will help them throw their first invert or make them a better boarder. Yes, there are advantages to a tower. Reality is, they need to work on their technique and timing instead. I love when all the kids on our lake with $70K Xstars come out on saturdays and try inverts when they cant do the basics. I wonder why they all get pissed and cus at my buddies when we roll by in our SN (no extended pylon) and throw inverts on a trick ski! A tower DOESN'T make you a great wakeboarder! |
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Hollywood
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Sounds like plenty of tension, what's the problem?
Defintely truth in that so you better be smooth if you want to make it! So you're saying you can't do anything on wakeboard w/o a tower pull? If everyone is doing a 360 on a high pull and you can do it off the low, that tiny extra air from the high pull might net you a 540. Now YOU win! Challenge yourself and you'll progress much quicker. |
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mdvalant
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If you want to be a stand out wakeboarder, why jeopardize your possible career/tournament status by skiing on a short pole?
If you want to compete with the big dogs, you have to give yourself a chance. They use nitrous, now you have to. That sorta thing. |
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Hollywood
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Why not both?!
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akabulla
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not true! When you do tricks that require you to keep tension on the rope it will pull you out of the sky and back to the water much faster when the tow point is lower.
I have wakeboarded on a low tow point and it was terrible! Your funny Pete :) |
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8122pbrainard
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I don't know Kev, I've been thinking about a tower or a extended pylon to help me out with my tubing. I need a "crutch"!! |
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Hollywood
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Look through the windshield, that's why it's clear glass. If you know what you're doing you can perform all the same tricks from any pull height. I do put up the Skylon if I'm struggling with something new.
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akabulla
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We aren't talking about only skiing. We are talking about wakeboarding. Have you tried wakeboarding off a short ski pole? It isn't crap reasoning. My mirror is a good foot off the top of my windshield. I had it on my windshield and I hated it because it really blocks your view when sitting high on the chair and looking over the windshield. |
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seacamper
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This sure is a bare knuckle forum!
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1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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Hollywood
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Some of the reasoning in here is crap. You can put your mirror on the windshield frame. The tower will still need to be folded down. On a closed bow boat, a tower just doesn't make sense to me. If skiing off the short pylon is too hard try tubing. |
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seacamper
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No. I think there was thread creep. I think what people are saying is the 2001 series got a reputation among wakeboarders because of its deeper v. At slolom speeds, the boat had a great rep because of its ability to produce a minimal wake in most conditions but it was beat by other boats on glass. It was designed as a 3 event boat and CC chose a deeper V to field more lake conditions. The deeper V ended up giving a nice wake by mistake for the up and coming wake board craze. When wake boats started being made, many noted the 2001 series already threw a great wake and with sacks, was outstanding.
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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SNobsessed
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Guys - I have an '89 & didn't know the wake was unique. I thought it was the same hull as the earlier 2001's. Was there a change in '89 from previous years to the hull shape?
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WakeSlayer
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I see both sides. I had a tower on my 92BFN, and would not change that one bit. I would definitely not waste the money doing it to my 90SN. I also would not put one on a pre-82 CC.
The 89 is largely sought after because of the unique boarding wake it throws. If the boat is perfect or near so, I would not install one, but really, if that is your boarding boat, and you are not planning on getting a V-drive (or making one, in Ryan's case ) do what you want, it is your boat. |
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bkhallpass
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Not true. Ski Pro Accessories has been making the pylon mount Trakker since 1990. BKH |
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seacamper
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WOW! Thats quite a mod! A tip of the hat to F&F on that. I could have missed the "tone" of his reply so if I did, F&F, my apologies. |
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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akabulla
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EDIT.....Wrong discussion doh!
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Dreaming
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Form and Function's V drive
Seacamper - Take a look at this thread.... F&F is well versed in the 2001, and put together a beautiful, well thought out project. He explains a lot of his desicions on how he decided on some of the parts he chose... He probably took a lot of flack for not being true to the original, but did come out with a very nice user friendly boat. |
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NAUTI84
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2001's might not be classics or antiques (yet). But most Harleys and Vettes aren't either. In all cases, there are those done right, and many done very very wrong! When it comes to the tower, tough decision - If your family is into it and that'll give you the most use, slap it on and run it into the ground (water)! These tug boats were made to be used. I almost put a Monster on mine. Now glad I didn't though, because it turned out that my girls weren't that into it and my sking buddies got too old! |
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anthonylizardi
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If you are set on the Big Air is your call. Have you look at Monster? The only reason I mention this is because of what I have seen in the big air, the rattling make me crazy. Is your call. I bet it would work fine.
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seacamper
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BINGO |
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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seacamper
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As a side note, I am one of the wakeboard folks who sought out this hull specifically for the accidentally great wakeboarding wake it produces. I really could not care less about the great minimal slalom wake it produces at slalom speed. I do appreciate the improvement for slaloming over my other boats (an outboard and a Yamaha jet boat) I bought it for the wake hence the wake tower. I sort of agree with you form and function,on the fact that this boat is not a collectors classic like the early boats, but you pretty much came off as arrogant and abrasive and condesending towards these boats. What boat do you have? I looked at your profile and noticed an absence. For the nay sayers on the Big Air product, I will admit that at 2 to 3 times the price, you can get a better product. If I had $50,000 to blow, I could get the ski boat of my dreams. For a family trying its best to provide a good ski experience for its kids (10 and 8), I am pretty sure an 89 SN with a Big Air tower is going to get them by for quite a few years, and if they advance I can replace towers, and the old one will be retired. By then I will be ready for a new motor that will talk to a new Zero Off system. If they do not advance and grow bored with skiing, my wife and I will just have to make do with an old boat and an old tower.
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1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar
1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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seacamper
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WOW! Can you qualify that statement? The 2001 got great reviews in comparison testing, http://books.google.com/books?id=euMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=American+Skier+Advance&source=bl&ots=qTXrClWdNv&sig=lAMr1pMyTNRgPBvzcyceGmMDysg&hl=en&ei=NyN8S57_O4z-Ncr9xbwF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAgQ6AEwATg8#v=onepage&q=American%20Skier%20Advance&f=false so I guess all the boats it beat are worse than it! The 1989 was the first year they used the reduction gear (powerplus) transmission for more out of the hole power. This was the first year of the silent muffler as well. 1989 was also the first year that Correct Craft used AME epoxy resin instead of polyester resin that all other boat companies are still using. AME 4000 at half the weight of polyester and is more than twice as strong. This is huge in being able to handle multi-directional stress. It also helped with the stringer problems the earlier 2001 series were plauged with. It happens to be classic to the 2001 enthusiasts who have their own website. http://www.the2001.com/ I'm just saying.............. |
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1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
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anthonylizardi
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My friend has a Big Air on his and at first I though that for the price is great. Now that I have FCT2 on my boat and the difference is amazing. The FCT2 is so solid, no anoying noises, and folds in minutes. Also, I like the look even though the purist thinks the opposite. I really like how much space I have gained.
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MI-nick
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if your son is serious about wakeboarding, the tower would be a good investment...better pull, better visibility (no cable), better interior room (board racks, no cable), and you don't have to put it up/take it down. i think it will have zero effect on resale and may even increase resale as the 2001 makes such an excellent wake boat. it does take away from the "classic" look...but, what is your boat supposed to do?? look good or work good??
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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83ski2001
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if someone was putting a tower on an old wood boat that would be one thing...but the 2001s are a dime a dozen...
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98motorsport3
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I totally agree. I always thought some people on here were a little wacky when it comes to these boats. Maybe it's just me, but I would have no problem slapping a tower on a 100 hour silver nautique. It's a boat and not a rare one. But they are freaking awesome! |
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form&function
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Just for the record the 89 2001 is not classic or antique.If it wasn't for the wakeboard croud it might have gone down in history as the worst ski boat ever made so I say put whatever the hell you want on it.
fyi,the big air products are a joke. |
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TX Foilhead
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I think Joey makes a good point, if the boat is not stock and in good condition, then why not. I'm also a believer in thinking it through and making sure the tower and the lines of the boat work. My tower hung from a tree over my boat for 3 days and my wife and I moved it around and looked at it and thought about it until it was right. I knew that I didn't want a ND tower, had to have something that could stand up to the foils, and would have had it made custom if that's what it took to get the lines I wanted.
Doug, don't pull any direction but up on the lifting ring, the earlier comment about using a bungee on the ring to hold the bow sling in place was a good idea. |
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