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    Posted: December-11-2010 at 2:45am
Hi all,
boat ran perfect early today, like it has done since the carb was rebuilt a few engine-hours ago. Had to idle around for an hour today (tour with birdwatchers...), no prob whatsoever, but when I wanted to speed up after that hour the engine didn't want to rev up anymore. Sort of like it choked, it stuttered a bit, it kept running but just didn't want to go. Back to shore where I tried to rev it up in neutral; same thing, and it actually choked. Managed to fire it up again (lot of black crap from the exhausts it I remember correctly), then same thing, died again. Then wouldn't start again. Didn't keep trying cause I had to leave.
Any ideas and suggestions are appreciated!

Bottom line I think is don't use a skiboat for birdwatching...
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Sander,
Did you ever rebuild the carb?
Stuck float/seat? Choke opening all the way?
With the black out the aft end, it's fuel related.


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Yeah I guess it's carb related. It was rebuild 5 hours ago. Temperature stayed fine, nothing wrapped around the prop.
Thanks Pete, I'll check the float and choke today.
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Originally posted by TRIP TRIP wrote:

Yeah I guess it's carb related. It was rebuild 5 hours ago. Temperature stayed fine, nothing wrapped around the prop.
Thanks Pete, I'll check the float and choke today.

Somethings not correct. Fill me in on the rebuild. You? "pro"? Float level set? "Shade tree" mechanic?-I have no idea of whats available down there!!   


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Ha! You got a valid point there. VERY valid. However, I do have some confidence in this guy. First one actually that I trust down here... Here did the rebuild.
He concluded it's the sparkplugs and cables. Sparkplugs are always blacker than black. Boat started smoking pretty badly too (again) yesterday. He suggested using plugs with a higher temperature (or however you say that in english) because we're in a different climate than the US. Any opinions about that?
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yeah no.. nothing in your climate justifies changing the spark plug heat range. Your carb is probably just set a little rich...
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check if you have raw fuel leaking into the carb..thus the black smoke,
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Thanks guys!
There is indeed some fuel leaking into the carb. Should (hopefully) be solved by getting new plugs and cables. Hope to get sparkplugs (24's they shall be!) tomorrow, will need to order cables from the US.
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Sander,
It's the carb. Your guy sounds like he works on 2 cycle outboards!!


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loss of 3% every 1000 feet of altitude.....but again the boat ran before messing with the carb
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he is costa rica so I guess its sea level..no altitude problem..maybe some bird drop made it into the carb and fuzzed the float and its not closing right..
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Don't waste your money of plugs and cables, the carb's needle and seat is boogared up.
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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

check if you have raw fuel leaking into the carb..thus the black smoke,


Originally posted by TRIP TRIP wrote:

Thanks guys!
There is indeed some fuel leaking into the carb. Should (hopefully) be solved by getting new plugs and cables. Hope to get sparkplugs (24's they shall be!) tomorrow, will need to order cables from the US.


Your blackened spark plugs are a symptom of your leaking carb issue, not a cause.

Although, once you get your carburetor to stop leaking, it might be worth changing to some new spark plugs if your old ones are fouled badly from the leaky carburetor.
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If the carb is an older style Holley,a sneeze will blow out the power valve.
The result will be an over rich idle , black plugs. The easiest way to tell is by trying to adjust idle mixture. If you can screw them all the way closed and if the engine will still idle, you have a bad PV........
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Sander,
Choke opening all the way?

Sander,
A voice from the CCfan past has spoken to me!!
He too wants you to check your choke to see if it's opening. If not, check to see if you have power going to the choke coil on the side of the carb. It's the round black thing with the wire terminals on it.


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If the information is correct that the carb is leaking when it shouldnt be.. then gottaski is right and the seat and needle are boogered or the float misadjusted... also possible is the power valve blowout, choke not fully opening, general general carb misadjustment, etc.... none of which will be cured by a new set of plugs or wires..

Another longshot possiblity would be an engine running very cold due to a thermostat missing or running open all the time .. but again really the carb is what changed and it is the most likely culprit for the symptoms..
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Sorry I missed that question Pete. But it does open all the way.

Problems didn't start after carb rebuild, but after idling for an hour. Until then it ran perfectly fine.
I'm at 1800 ft alt by the way. But then again, it ran perfectly until last friday.
Thanks for all the suggestions, gonna check it out this afternoon!
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Originally posted by GottaSki GottaSki wrote:

Don't waste your money of plugs and cables, the carb's needle and seat is boogared up.


That's my bet.

Either that or a bad PV.
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Well, turned out that the PV-gasket was missing, instead there was a metal ring there... Changed that out et voila, carb leaking was over. However, still ran like sh!t. Changed the sparkplugs and... ran better than ever since I had this boat! For about 15 minutes when the steering cable broke
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Sander,
I'm happy you got the problem fixed. Yes, it needed plugs but the fouling was caused by the rich condition from the carb.

I know your choices of mechanics is limited but I'd be looking for someone else if I were you.


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Sander,
I've been spoken to again and it's been suggested that I bring up a issue that hasn't been mentioned. The altitude your at may require some different carb jetting. We have some members running at the higher elevations so maybe they will pick up this thread and comment.



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Originally posted by TRIP TRIP wrote:

ran better than ever since I had this boat! For about 15 minutes when the steering cable broke


That is how it goes sometimes. I spent a few days in Arenal back in 2005. What a cool place to ride! Seemed pretty windy but I bet you have some good spots for calm water. Vulcan Arenal, Ronrico Rum and I had it out the last night I was there. Had an absolutley amazing display that night of lava flow and I could have stayed up all night watching. I was only a few hours short of that goal

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Pete, thanks! I wish I had the option of using another mechanic. Guess I'll have to keep educating myself right here!
And, I hope "they" keep speaking to you. Keep passing the messages on!

Keegan, I hear ya! It is an amazing place. Does get very windy at times but indeed we're in a small cove protected from the wind. Fun year round :)
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

wouldnt mind trying some of the local coffee Trip

Somehow... that sounds awefully familiar! Did we talk about coffee before? Sorry, my faulty memory again. Damn Korsakoff...

On a sidenote; boat ran GREAT today! Welded steeringcable held up perfectly (hope it will keep doing that until new one arrives), and new sparkplugs are a gift from heaven. Couldn't get 6 (temp) so had to put in 5 (the only thing available around here) but will change to 6 as soon as I can get them cause these do run hot (white).
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