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eric lavine
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Posted: June-05-2007 at 1:32pm |
Thats a tough question to answer, but my take is once a year is fine or when you hit an object, Correct Craft hulls are built so rigid and the shortness of the boats i dont believe it is necessary to align it every time you trailer it, I believe the Borg Warner manual says to do this for liabilities and warranties and aim more towards larger boats that get trailored such as in the 25 foot and up range and thinner constructed hulls. would i check it more than once a year....no, but...i would check it
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behindpropeller
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Posted: June-05-2007 at 1:07pm |
LakeHoliday wrote:
Eric,
Page 27 of the Borg Warner Velvet Drive Installation Manual (the Reference section of this site is awesome!) states the Propeller and Output Shaft Alignment should be checked anytime the propeller strikes a heavy object and also after the boat has been lifted by a hoist or moved on a trailer.
Does everyone here check their alignment everytime they trailer their boats somewhere? I'll be bringing home a Mustang hopefully soon (about 300+ miles). Should I check the alignment before putting it on the lake?
Thanks,
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I check my alignment every spring. Once it has sat on the lift for a couple weeks I check it, this year it gets checked twice since the trans was out. Everybody says how smooth my boat runs. Its 21 years old now too.
To get it to slide side to side use your 1 1/8" wrench to move it instead of a pri-bar. The wrench over the mount will distribute the forces more evenly.
Tim
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joes83sn
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Posted: June-03-2007 at 8:52am |
great topic, thanks for the pics.
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eric lavine
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Posted: April-18-2007 at 12:09pm |
they are so much easier once you clean them and lube them, they will practically move effortlessly once you do this, take the extra time to get your alignment correct, it will save you in the long run and your boat will perform that much better
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Munday
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Posted: April-18-2007 at 10:13am |
What I have done is place a jack under exhaust manifold to remove presure from mount and remove,then like Eric says clean them up so they are working easily.Also the rubbers in the mount should be straight up no bind when you get everything lined up,that will make the best vibration free alignment.
Munday
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eric lavine
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Posted: April-18-2007 at 8:44am |
some times they rust in place and are a real pita to remove, it sounds like if you can't move them side to side, i will remove 1 at a time and cabinet blast them and never seize them, but are you capable of this? heat from a mapp gas torch will also possibly break them loose but now your in a gray area with open flame. what are your alignment readings now?
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michigan dave
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 10:49pm |
I just went through this same deal. I had the engine out for bilge work so I had already lubed up the motor mount slides, it still would not budge side to side. I put a small jack between the trans and the stringer and applied some presure, then was able to slide it over and tighten it down. Dont give up!!!
dave
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 8:35pm |
i don't know what PB Blaster is, but i tried using a couple different compounds on them, and the prybar i used was huge already. i made an appointment with west coast correct craft to have them align it next month, but i still don't see how they are going to be able to. what is PB Blaster and where can i find it?
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Darrel
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 2:35pm |
Did you loosen them on both sides, front and back? Try some PB Blaster to loosen 'em up a bit and get a bigger pry bar. Bad idea to run the boat when out of alignment like Eric said.
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 1:26pm |
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 1:21pm |
this is my 83 ski nautique.
heres a picture of the trans and shaft and mounts.
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eric lavine
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 7:49am |
if your out .004 you can temporarily, any further you may do damage. id really try to get it straightened out. take some pics and we;ll try to figure it out for you
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-17-2007 at 3:37am |
my motor mounts don't look like the ones in the picture he posted at all. it's late now, but i'll take a picture of them in the morning and post them tomorrow and maybe someone can clue me in on how to adjust the motor side to side. i loosened everything i thought was holding it from moving side to side and got my brother to try moving it with a long prybar, but it looked as though the motor mount bolts would break off before the motor budged at all so i gave up and figured i must have been doing it wrong. took the boat out today though to make sure everything else was running. how bad is it to run the boat out of alignment temporarily until i figure out how to get it just right?
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Darrel
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Posted: April-16-2007 at 8:24pm |
Ace, the year does not matter, its still done the same way. .003 is a thin blade.
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-16-2007 at 5:45pm |
got any reference material for an older boat than the one your showing here? say for an 83 ski nautique?
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-15-2007 at 11:10am |
whoa your awesome thank you!
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Posted: April-14-2007 at 11:11pm |
Feeler Gauge:
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acedizzle916
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Posted: April-14-2007 at 8:41pm |
what the heck is a "feeler" that your using to get these measurements????
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81nautique
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Posted: April-14-2007 at 3:10pm |
Eric,
After reinstalling my motor I have to adjust the front to the port side slightly but I can not get them to move. I had to remove the rears and heat them to free them up but I don't think I can remove the front mounts without lifting the motor again. Any suggestions on freeing these things up. I am sooooo close on the alignment a 1/16" up front will get me there.
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eric lavine
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Posted: April-02-2007 at 7:44am |
the dry rubber may be causing this in the strut, spray a touch of silicone to lube and then spin, check your alignment...dont put it off
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bsucics
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Posted: April-01-2007 at 8:23pm |
Today was the first time I've had a chance to check out my boat since reading this thread. I'm struggling a bit as I have no point of reference (what it should be like).
I can rotate the prop with one hand, but it certainly will not spin freely, regardless of force. It seems to bind in the strut. There is a steady vibration as I rotate it by hand, accompanied by a fairly unpleasant noice. Not sure how much of that is due to the fact that it's out of water. I'm almost certain I need to check alignment, but I'm just curious if this is normal otherwise (assuming it needs to be adjusted).
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87BFN owner
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Posted: March-30-2007 at 5:46pm |
Tullfooter, the Midwest CC guy Jeff told me that I should run straight 40 weight in it all year round. He said when it's cold it will trun over a little slower, but give it an extra minute of warm up time when it's cold and no problems.
I followed his advice no probs here.
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tullfooter
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Posted: March-30-2007 at 12:19pm |
Good thread for me guys, it will help tomorrow when I pull the interior and get to all these parts you refer to (shaft logs, cutlass bearings, struts, couplings). Should be an interesting morning.
Eric or anyone else, if I find that the packing is too tight, is there something I can do to adjust it while the boat is out of the water or should I wait until I can run it in the lake for a test? The previous owner said he just replaced the packing.
I'm also going to drain and flush the tranny and change the oil. I thought I had read that 15W40 is the oil of choice for the 454's. Sounds odd to me? Any thoughts "87?
Thanks, Steve
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-30-2007 at 8:43am |
i would only use a screwdriver to seperate the halves when your not watching..
my first sentence shouldve been, common sense required lol eric
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michigan dave
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Posted: March-29-2007 at 10:30pm |
Great topic, I just re-installed my engine in
my fish-nautique last week. I followed Erics instructions and I was disapointed. The shaft got hard to turn as soon as I tightened up the
four bolts. It looked at first like I had a bent prop shaft, but it was actually a small ding in the propshaft coupling face from when I drove a screwdriver between them to seperate the 2 halfs of the coupler. This wouldnt allow the coupling to mate flat to the tranny half.. A few minutes with a file and bingo. This is not the first time I have shot myself in the foot. heheh Just thought I would pass it on.
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Justin131313
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Posted: March-28-2007 at 6:42pm |
David
The reason to remove the propshaft packing assembly is because if the shaft has been sitting off for a while the rubber "trains" to that position. The cutlass bearing and strut will tell you by feel where the propshaft wants to be. If the rubber is pushing the shaft to its trained position its harder to feel where the cutlass wants the shaft to be. Once recentered the rubber will flex and retrain, and you will be reclamping it into the correct position. Sure you should support it while its unattached, I just slid the propshaft back up against the tranny when I wanted to let go. I am sure the cutlass and strut designed to hold up to so many pressures could handle the weight of the shaft, but supporting it is probably a good idea.
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LakeHoliday
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Posted: March-28-2007 at 3:50pm |
I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. If it takes two hands to move the prop around... something is out of alignment? It should spin easily with a strong finger or two?
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David F
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Posted: March-28-2007 at 3:36pm |
Justin131313 wrote:
Steve, you can tell if the resistance is the propshaft packing by taking off the hose clamps and sliding the whole packing assembly up the shaft a couple of inches. Then this wont be part of the equation. Then if you take a couple ore minutes and remove the four bolts hlolding the shaft to the trans you cann determine really quick how well you are aligned. It takes longer to remove all of the interior than it does to check all of this. Actually alinging it as Eric said could take a while. Took me about an hour of nudging this way and that. Thats not counting removing the interior and dissasembling everything and doing the reverse. I didnt have a helper so I was in and out of the boat a hundred times. Get a helper. |
I do not see how this can be a good method. If you remove the rubber hose from the shaft log, AND disconnect from the tranny, then you are essentially supporting the drive shaft only via the cutlass bearing. This will put a terrible out of alignment condition on the cutlass bearing for sure.
I always try to center the shaft in the cutlass bearing longitudinally and then support the shaft with the packing assembly (i.e. shaft log, hose, packing. Or, I support the shaft with a wood block). Then I move the engine to match up to the coupling.
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eric lavine
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Posted: March-28-2007 at 3:22pm |
you can check the shaft your self by following the gap on alignment, if the gap turns with the shaft then you know its bent, if the gap stays in the same spot then its mis-alignment. if you hit hard most definitly the shaft is bent. BUT....... you cant tell if you have a bend after the taper, truly the best way to check shafts is with a dial indicater mounted to a stabil place and check in 3 or 4 spots. or pull the shaft and put on v-blocks as i do (go to foam removal post and you can see)
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Posted: March-28-2007 at 1:37pm |
Worth the trouble to adjust the alignment now, or pull the shaft as the first order of business? Thanks Eric!
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