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Gangster
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After searching I finally found a supplier in Canada who can sell me the foam and epoxy resin. However they only sell the fiberglass in 110 yard rolls. Eric you said you used a roll of mat? How many yards was on the roll you used?
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leo0648
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You say $1000 like it is a big deal. The finish product is well worth the cost. Plus you practically have a brand new boat that you can sell for 10-13k
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SkiBum
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All my glass, resin, fillers, foam, and gel came from US Composites. All structural work is epoxy with a variety of glass; mat, biaxial, and cloth. Mrs. SkiBum frequently reminds me that I spent just over one thousand dollars on materials.
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eric lavine
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I ended up using 5 kits total(10 gallons before mixing) with a touch left in the last kit, I ended up using 8 gallons of resin and 1 roll of matte, I did have some waist but it was minimal
Skibum did you buy locally? Gangster you better do some price shopping on this stuff it does get pricey |
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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SkiBum
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I used the 80lb kit and two 16lb kits. I believe that if I had been more careful I could have done the whole job with just the 80lb kit. Some of the pours were too thick and the foam raised above the floor level several inches. It was wasted. Eric reused that extra foam and mixed it into the next pour. That is a technique. To avoid making the same mistakes I made I recommend cutting out small cardboard dams that can be taped into place. Be sure to stir exactly 22 seconds as per the instructions. After the expansion slows significantly, then move farther down with a new dam and make another pour. This will help you regulate the height of the pour and it will keep the liquid form of the foam from running out of where you are trying to pour. I would suggest buying the 80lb kit and one 16lb kit as a backup. |
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Gangster
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SkiBum, how much foam did you use? I know you said you could have poured it more efficiently? Could you expand on that a bit?
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SkiBum
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Not quite a weapon of mass destruction, although the garage looks like it took a direct hit from such a weapon. Bum Jr. goes to Meade County High in Kentucky.
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eric lavine
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in those days that would be considered a weapon of mass destruction, Where does your boy go to school?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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The Lake
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Very nice Eric, I liked that
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eric lavine
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the fruit dont fall far....
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nates78ski
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Haha, No Way! A Trebuchet!! i made one of those i think it was my sophomore year in Hs, good times, fun to see what kind of crazy sh*t you can toss around the yard with it, & how far you can get it to go, Looks good!!
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SkiBum
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How about this pic. SkiBum Jr. says it is a Tribuchet. Some french artillary piece I guess. I had a whole day off but Jr. needed to get this project done for school monday. Can't ski behind it. Not sure what use it has. Jr. can fling a baseball about 150 feet across the yard with it though. Maybe tomorrow after chuch I can get some real work done. |
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87BFN owner
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any new pics skibum, sounds like you to have been hitting your boat pretty hard to.
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Hollywood
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duckfamily
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There is talk about flipping a boat. I have had my boat at a fiberglass shop all winter he had no trouble flipping it. Check there tool out at www.capsizer.com He also does some awesome work at a reasonable price.
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Correct Craft owner for 13 years.
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bsucics
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Wow! What an enjoyable read this evening. Awesome job - it's great to have access to the expertise here!
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SkiBum
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I have a few acres and the neighbors don't have a clue what is happening in the garage. It is really not a big deal. After sanding I sweep everything up, dump it into a garbage bag, and let the dust settle again. Then wash any surfaces I am working. My neighbor to the west has two go carts that his kids ride around the cul-de-sac and nobody cares.
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87BFN owner
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what do the neighbors think, mine complain when the dog barks for more then 10 seconds. Should have seen their faces when I brought my sled home and road it in my back yard at 1 am. I live in a sub by the way, yard not very big but sled is piped and very loud. They don't mind the dog anymore.
Don't get me wrong I like most of my neighbors just not the guy behind me. I said sorry to the others for the loud sled the one night. |
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SkiBum
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I have waited years to do this project. I got myself far behind screwing with that damn bilge. But, I am determined to fight through and finish. I will build some stands. David, I know what you are talking about with the tired arms. While working under the boat my arms were screaming at me to stop. I have to sweep out the garage, let the dust settle for a while, then sweep again every day but I don't mind.
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nates78ski
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Haha when we did our '78 we did it in the garage, to clean; put on a dust mask, grab the leaf blower, open the front door, & have at it. Probably not the most eco-friendly way to do it, but ehhh, the garage is clean, well... was clean, until i started sanding the epoxy/fibergla$$ off the bottom of my kayak i built last winter, after it started hazing. Nate |
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leo0648
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Wait till summer to do the paint job? In the mean time, build a lift to pull the boat by the rings so that you can just work on the boat raised in the air.
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SkiBum
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I may just build some stands for the boat. That would help a lot. I guess I would just need to work around the stands. That boat looks awesome! I can only hope to get such great results. As for working in the garage...I really have no other option. The average temperature outside is consistently below 40f. At night it gets down to the single digits. I figure after doing all of this work, cleaning the garage will be a simple task.
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David F
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You know now that I think about it bit more, the height of the boat on the stands was dictated by the being able to pull the trailer out from under boat. Turned out to be a good working height. You have to have enough room to manuever the grinder safely when working over your chest and face. Notice the blue tint to the driveway...that is the remnants from grinding off the blue gelcoat. When the project was completed, the entire driveway needed a good pressure washing. Bill, I cannot image doing this work in the garage. How in the world are you going to clean that garage
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David F
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Right, I forgot about that one. Thanks for posting. |
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TRBenj
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Here you go: |
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eric lavine
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Ski-bum If you keep spending so much time on that boat, Momma's gonna get a new hobby
lol Eric |
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David F
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Bill:
The boat stands are a good way to go as it gets the trailer out of the way. I am a$$uming your boat is still on the trailer. I made my own stands and can send you a picture if you like. The boat was amazing stable on the stands and did not move at all even when climbing in and out of the boat and working inside. I put the boat high enough so that I could lay on my creeper and reach up comfortably to work on the bottom of hull. Your arms WILL get tired. Let me know if you want a picture (too much trouble to post pictures here). |
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SkiBum
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I have pretty much given up on flipping the boat. Just using the lifting rings to lift one end at a time while I work. One side of the bottom of the boat is completely grinded and sanded. The other side is half done. Applying the gelcote will not be too tough. Sanding it will be the kicker.
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hasbeenskier
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Bill, I do not know where you are but if there are any boat yards in your area You might borrow some boat stands and simply raise the hull off the trailer several inches at four points. They are safe if done correctly.
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SkiBum
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Here is a better picture of the gelcote work inside the boat to date. I gave up on flipping the boat. Tonight I lifted the back and grinded away all of the gelcote on one side of the bottom of the boat from the stern to just short of the plug. Using an electric grinder with 36 grit fiber disk for grinding followed by an orbital sander with 50 grit to level everything. I gave up on my trusty DA because my air compressor cannot handle the workload. It is very messy, uncomfortable, and a bit dangerous working under the boat while it is lifted like that. But, I'll get it done. This is the new front seat base. I filled and sanded it so I can apply gelcote. This will be gla$$ed onto the floor and hull. Then I'll fill and sand where I gla$$. And gelcote when it is ready. If grinding, sanding, and applying gelcote under the boat does not work out, I may tow it to a local boat shop. There is a lift in the yard. I'll try it this way for a while. |
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