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    Posted: April-11-2020 at 9:55pm
Trying to deal with a some Perfectpass issues and one of the things recommended is a good ground. If a ran a new ground from the bus to the motor with 6 gauge wire would that be acceptable? I saw some post which said run a new ground from bus to battery, but I think running directly from bus to engine ground would be better, am I missing something?
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Most people are running the new ground to the engine, not sure what is better. If the issue is not fixed you may need to upgrade the positive feed from the engine to the dash. I just upgraded the feeds from the ignition breakers to the key, and ground to the engine and it fixed my PP issues.

6 gauge should be fine, most people are using 8 gauge for the ground upgrade.
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Seems to me that it doesn't make any difference whether you go to the engine or the battery with your new ground wire.

One way might use a longer wire than the other

One way might be easier to run the wire and attach it.

Sounds like a personal preference type of thing.

Why do you think it's better going to the engine?

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Seems to me that it doesn't make any difference whether you go to the engine or the battery with your new ground wire.

One way might use a longer wire than the other

One way might be easier to run the wire and attach it.

Sounds like a personal preference type of thing.

Why do you think it's better going to the engine?


Very good question. Is closer to the alternator better or closer to the battery. Cast iron isn't the best conductor of electricity. As a compromise, I'd go to the same spot on the engine block where the negative battery cable is connected.


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I think I answered my own question   

Here's a semi long read in the link below that would suggest the block is best

And...........the original ground point for the dash is the block when you follow that black wire backwards from the dash.

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Thanks everyone - I ran it back to block where the ground for the battery was connected - I figured it was less connections to the place the battery grounds, It may be bad logic but it is done now. I will check out the link.
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After reading the article, I now have another question, should I remove the original ground from the busfuse bar, All I did was add in the new ground, now I am wondering if I should have removed the original ground wires which were there, before adding the new ground.
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Originally posted by td_in_nc td_in_nc wrote:

After reading the article, I now have another question, should I remove the original ground from the busfuse bar, All I did was add in the new ground, now I am wondering if I should have removed the original ground wires which were there, before adding the new ground.

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You are fine as is. The extra wire doesn't create a ground loop. (see the article). In wiring, it's very common to run multiple conductors when amps are high and it's not feasible to run one large conductor. Many times it's even easier to run multiple.


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Thanks Pete - You nailed my concern about the ground loop.
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And I thought a ground loop was bad tail dragger landing!
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Originally posted by tryathlete tryathlete wrote:

And I thought a ground loop was bad tail dragger landing!


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Okay I looked it up and I cannot find out what ground loop means related to skiing. Someone has to explain....
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Originally posted by td_in_nc td_in_nc wrote:

Okay I looked it up and I cannot find out what ground loop means related to skiing. Someone has to explain....


In case of sarcasm, my apologies. A ground loop as it relates to flying a plane is essentially wipe out when you swap ends with a tail wheel airplane when landing. It can be a minor embarrassment all the way to a nasty crash.

I flew a Turbo Beaver floatplane that subsequently (a few years later) was water-looped but fortunately the engine did not ingest water. It was much cheaper to repair as a result. That was a very cool plane. It still is.
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