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    Posted: January-19-2017 at 9:14am
It looks like prices are higher in Canada for 9k USD there are Malibu Sportster closed bow (similar year and equipment). I saw few Malibu Response (close & open bow) for around 12500$ USD (again for similar years and equipment)
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It's a very nice boat.
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Looking at the pricing $19,800 I am guessing Canadian? and I read the price was $14,800 US? That is $2200 less than I paid in Oct 2016 for my Air with 154 hr. and it appears as new with a beautiful tandem axle trailer. it was always garaged and maintained at a Nautique dealer. It also came with a boom, wake boards, custom bimini, and a mooring cover. Based on what I am seeing in those pictures, you are looking at about a $9000 boat in my opinion. look at some photos in my first post here for comparison. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39974
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I bought my 95 snob with about 500 hours on it. It was in mint condition, and the owner was seemed very OCD about the boat. Since then I have put about 350 hours on it. It has always been well maintained with oil changes every 50 hours (VR1 oil). I have never run it hot, It does get a lot of slalom use. It developed a water leak on one of the heads several years ago.I got by with JB weld for a while. No oil consumption and always ran very consistent and strong.

I pulled the motor this winter to replace the heads. When the engine builder checked the bottom end, he found a lot of wear to the cams and bottom end. . My point is, it may be running fine but at 1700 hours it is getting over the hill. It may serve you fine for years, or it may drop a valve this summer. You dont know. I would adjust my offer to include a couple of grand for engine issues.

I noticed it looks like a cover for the radio is missing....I think I see a hinge next to the radio. If the over all condition is good and it is the boat you want then try and make a deal. But remember you are buying an old used boat.
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Most of the inboards of my inner circle have 1,000 to 1,500 hours on them and none of us are anticipating upcoming failures. My car has 365,000 miles and it's running as good as when I bought it with 87,000. Low hour old boats and cars make me think of corrosion issues.

Be proud of your hours [and miles]. Like GottaSki said, 1700 is only just past halfway there. Many of you are not skiiing the same boat you were even just 10 years ago let alone 20.

If some of you used your boats more and had 1500 hrs. would you be looking to get rid of it?
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Jim, we purchased a 94 Sport with 600 hrs this year. The boat was in good shape interior, trailer wise but I also knew I was purchasing a 22 year old boat and I was going to have to take care of a few things. We have spent about $2k since the purchase and I now know I have a solid ski boat that will last our family years to come. My personal suggestion is to buy a boat with at least a few thousand to spare on fixing the unknown in your budget. An acquaintance of mine purchased a 2000 air nautique with 400 hrs and dropped a valve this summer. Hours are a loose guideline on engine condition. With boats you roll the dice so be prepared. 1600 hrs would be outside my personal comfort zone.
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Good article for engine failures.
Thanks again for all the comments. I will ask more detail to the dealer and I will also do an inspection of the boat. Worst case, I'll confirm myself it was not the right boat.
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I dunno--GT40 plus velvet drive and Walters screw drive could add up. 1700'hoirs on the trans is another kettle of fish all by itself. DIY could be reasonable if you could find an old Ford pickup and reuse manifolds and Fuel Cell...Good reason to stick with a lower hour boat if you've got a choice.

For $8k that boat would be interesting to someone--but I'd still take a pass for something a little less used up.
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Ask the dealer what it costs to replace an engine. Then deduct most of that from their asking price.
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Eh, engines are about the easiest and cheapest to replace .
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I'd take a 400 hour boat in "decent shape" any day over a 1700 hour boat in pristine condition.   It's being sold by a dealer because the seller probably didn't get any bites and wholesaled it. Must say the pics look nice, interior looks new, but the price is about 1/3 or more too high in my opinion only.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fl Inboards Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-14-2017 at 12:13pm
1700 hours?
How well was the boat stored? How was the boat used? Was it utilized as a general weekend watersports boat. was it utilized with lots of added weight for wake boarding?
Is there a paper trail of service records? Unless there is significant information at 1700 hours it is a crap shoot. The Gt engine was last manufactured in 1997. Correct Craft utilized warehoused units until 2002. as of 2017 that makes the GT ford engine 20 years old and obsolete. replacement ECM's are NLA. the list just keeps on going as to why it becomes buyer beware unless the price is so good one cant pass it up!
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Originally posted by tryathlete tryathlete wrote:

Interesting link about how engines fail


Sure enough, not water-cooled boat engines, but the duty cycle can share a lot in common with our boat engines in terms of load. (Opinion)

Peter,
I agree that marine and aircraft engines are similar with their load, Unlike automotive, they are under constant torque and HP loading. Consequently you really can't com[pare them to a car running down the road at 60 MPH. However, I don't feel 1700hrs on a marine is much to worry about. Yes, the hours are up there but if the engine has been maintained, there are plenty of hours left in it.


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Jim, if I may be so bold, seems like quite a stiff price to me- particularly for a boat with those hours. I'd sell you my 2000 air/Sport with 400 hrs and full maintenance records for less than that.....
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Beyond healthy could be a bad omen!
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If I remember correctly (it's been 38 years since my AP Powerplant classwork), oil analysis only really works if you can perform trend rather than a single point sample--and oil samples need to be taken at end of oil change interval that also has to be consistently performed. We did this for a major oil company when trying to extend oil change intervals in a pilot training environment using early generation synthetic oils which won over the FAA when hard data was presented. So long ago I didnt even have to shave every day.
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Great article Peter!

Sounds like our site has been on the right track by recommending using good oil & filters.

An oil sample test can tell much about bearing health The hard part about this pre-purchase would be assuring an honest sample.
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Interesting link about how engines fail


Sure enough, not water-cooled boat engines, but the duty cycle can share a lot in common with our boat engines in terms of load. (Opinion)
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Absolutely. There is more than compression in terms of wear, but it is the leading indicator! If boat duty cycle were the same as an automobile traveling at 60, our engines would last 5000 hours or more....but we know that pulling skiers and footers is a little more like plowing snow than driving at 60.

I'd sure pay a whole lot less for a boat with 1700 hours than one with a lot less, and I'm sure that's the case,,
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Just all the snaps drilled into the boat to mount the cover,just a lazy way to install rather than a draw string below the rubrail
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What's wrong with the cover ?

Thanks for the comments.
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Asking $14,800 USD, that is a lot of money for a boat you hope does not need a rebuild??

Looks like the gauges have been changed out so whatever hours displayed is what has been put on since that gauge was installed unless the owner took the time to hook that gauge up to a power source and run the hours up to what they were on the old gauge (doubtful). Get a copy of the perfect pass manual from their site, you will need the instructions to find the hours on the PP display. The number of hours PP displays is only going to reflect from when it was installed, so if not factory/new original, won't tell the whole story.

The Gelcoat looks very faded, boat is going to need some loving to get back it's shine.
The people who do those snap covers like that should have their knee caps drilled.
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Put a deposit on the boat if your interested, and complete the transaction once you can water test...    no sense in getting stuck in a high hour boat that you can't drive.    On the compression check, I would never refuse someone a trip to a certified mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection, and that could certainly be done without any open water.   IMHO, a compression test is certainly valuable information on such a high hour boat, even if the boat has been maintained well.     Doing the PP inspection would be pass fail for me though, not necessarily a negotiation point.
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Then my question would be, Before doing a drive test, what are the parts I should inspect ? Lakes are frozen where I am.
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Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

in this case you have a high hour boat with questionable gauges, this thing could have 2 or 3 times what the hour meter reads.

And a compression test isn't going to tell you that.

I'm with Joel. If someone wanted to pull the plugs on a normal looking and running boat I'd tell them to get lost.
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Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:


As a seller I'd be pretty annoyed by a compression check unless the motor exhibited obvious problems in a water test. If someone drove my 2000 and then wanted a compression test afterward I'd think they would need their head examined.


Kind of feel what you are saying, had a guy do that to my bronco before purchasing however how many times have I read posts where there was no noticeable issue yet a compression test showed otherwise?? Your boat(s) are an extreme example as they are well cared for, in this case you have a high hour boat with questionable gauges, this thing could have 2 or 3 times what the hour meter reads.

Btw, boat appears to be an open bow ski nautique
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The boat is sold by the dealer. They changed the board for the key (key less start I was told) and change few minor parts.
Her is the add: http://www.lespac.com/st-alphonse-monteregie/vehicules-marins/2000-nautique-ski_41363568D0.jsa
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Is this boat from a private seller or dealer? Any pics or a link to an ad?

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