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coreytread
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I would like to see some changes but not at the risk of ending up with a crappy reproduction of a SN. I do love the new correct craft line and in a couple of years 2 I hope will be buying a 196 or 206. The older centurion boats and malibus I know nothing about we always have had correct craft boats.
alalor1, you make very good points about sales and marketing. |
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bkhallpass
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Point of clarification. CC did not sell-off the American Skier. American Skier was a model of CC boats which ran for several years. The American Skier Boat company was a separate company. BKH |
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alalor1
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OK, I am sorry about my mistake with the American Skier.
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bkhallpass
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No need to apologize. It's all good. Some of the boat companies do sell off old molds. For instance, the early Tige' hulls were an old Centurion mold. Perhaps CC has even done this at one time or another, though I'm not aware of that. BKH |
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alalor1
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Hello,
As far as I know, Mr. Pigeon designed the first Tige, and had Fineline Industries build the boats for him for a few years on the same factory as they built the centurions, he did not use a centurion design. He eventually made his own factory in Abilene, TX, which is kind of ironic because it is desert, very little water around. |
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Hollywood
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What's with all this Tige talk? I'm about to lose my breakfast.
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alalor1
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Drink a glass of water with two teaspoons of baking soda and your breakfast will settle down.
Don't forget that the idea for the Hydrogate came from that company in Abilene. Charlie had to put trim tabs because the boat porpoised too much, and he could not afford a new mold. His idea of converting a design flaw into a marketing tool was something to be admired. Similar issue with the nautiques, the hull with the v channel in the middle is a little too agressive for slalom, and though it keeps the boat straight in the course, the wake is a little too big according to some skiers. But that turned out to be a hull that made a big rampy wake at 20-22 mph, and later on, some people started liking that, a lot actually, use your imagination... |
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TRBenj
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Actually alalor1, that is not quite right. The hydrogate and trim tabs are very different in purpose and design. (FYI, Supra was actually using trim tabs on their Comp TSM's in the mid 80's- long before Tige was around.) The 97-2001 TSC hull on the Ski Nautique has the "V" you mention, as all CC's since the 2001 hull do- and I dont think you will find anyone complaining about that slalom wake. The 2002-2004 TSC2 hulls didnt have the hydrogate either- and the slalom wake behind those boats are arguably even better. The addition of the hydrogate saw the removal of a small lip on the edge of the transom aft of the rudder. I believe the hydrogate is intended to be down while in slalom, but up while pulling trick. At lower speeds the wake is supposed to have more definition.
In short, the hydrogate was designed to improve the wake shape for certain events, not correct a design flaw with the hull. |
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alalor1
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Oops, I am sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear. I meant that the Tige had the design flaw, not the SV211, which was designed to have the Hydrogate. I just implied that the success of the Tige and Supra inspired CC to come up with the Hydrogate, which although it is not a trim tab, it also serves the purpose of adjusting the flow of the water at the transom and therefore regulating the downward forces and wake shape. Volvo now switched to a design similar to the hydrogate instead of trim tabs for the big boats, but it uses 2 plates, one on each side and they are electric.
Supras and Ski Supremes (both designs of George Fowler), had an adjustable plate to adjust the wake, but it was a manual adjustment, basically, you have to take the boat out of the water to adjust it, and the adjustment is very limited. I think we agree, I had not been clear enough. |
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nates78ski
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I was just gonna make a comment about how either on here or @ planet nautique sometime last year someone came up with those pictures of what look like CC's which would lead one to believe that they do sell their Molds...
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Hollywood
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I still don't think they sell their molds. I think these clowns worked backwards.
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David F
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Hey Tim (or whoever was curious): Look at the last picture...it has dual exhaust. Must be enough space for the pipe to clear the tiller inboard of the main stringer.
On closer inspection, it sure looks like a pre '95 or '94 mold, but the windsheild looks all wrong. Notice how the base of the windsheild wings sits atop a raised portion of the deck. I do not think the SN's have this...my '93 SN does not. So, a little change done to the CC mold perhaps. |
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alalor1
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These boats are made by Astillero Victoria, in Córdoba, Argentina. The bad rumors are that they got a nautique that somebody took to have repaired and used it as a plug to make a mold. This year they came up with a bigger model with open bow, which is probably their own creation, size doesn't match any of the nautiques as far as I can see.
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bkhallpass
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You may be right, I'm not a Tige' afficianodo. The early Tiges certainly looked like a Centurion Falcon, and I'd heard from several sources that it was the case. Still, ICBW. BKH |
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Hollywood
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Rumor? Argentina...Europe, all the same to me. It's not North America. |
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M3Fan
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A waterski mag article highlighting South American skiing showed the MC clones down there called "Master Boat". Looked like a sad representation of the 91-94 MC PS190.
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TRBenj
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Good catch David. Ill have to play around with clearances to see if I can come up with something to run a dual exhaust. It does look like the 90-93 mold to me, with slight changes around the windshield. |
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alalor1
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Looks like some people here are a little geographically challenged...
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skicat
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I like the next to last picture. Looks like the boat is just out on the lake, but the trailer is still under it! Good thing there was not a truck attached to it.
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nates78ski
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yeah i mean the hull looks close.. definitely not exact, & i did notice the windshield before, is completely off, but these are definitely interesting...
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mars88
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Anyone else notice that the interior pics dont show a ski pylon? just an obseration!
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alalor1
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The pylon must be an option, because if you go to their web site and check the "Ski Victoria" you will see that it does have a pylon, now the air model doesn't. Or maybe those pictures are of an air model before they installed the tower. www.astillerovictoria.com.ar
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mckin007
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Hey I'll do the marketing and all your PR photos and video! How great would that be!
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alalor1
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Hello mckin
I am sorry, I am not involved with that boat builder at all. I just come from the same country. But I haven't been to the place where the boats are made, or even to that province in over 10 years. I found out about them online last year. You could contact them if you want. Might be a good business opportunity. |
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Well... I visited Mid-Atlantic Correct Craft here in Speculator NY this week. They said the price of a new bare bones Ski Nautique 196 was just shy of $40,000.00 without trailer.
Having heard that any plans of owning a brand new Correct Craft quickly vanished from my thoughts. However... If they were to bring back a modern day build of the '78-'79 era 16ft Ski Tique or Ski Nautique 179 for say $15,000 - $20,000 (for us fiscally challenged) that might be a do-able thing for me... That having been said... I'll probably just hold on to old paint- Paid for! :-) |
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Nautique2001
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The thread is alive again!
The best kind of boat are the ones that are paid for! $40+ would be put towards a new home for me, not a boat....unless I lived in FL. Ken |
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Atmspltr
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Gotta be somewhat discouraging to pay $40,000(+) and have a 40 year old boat jump you out of the hole and on top end...of course we give away all the creature comforts and a whole lot of room.
I would be interested in a ~82 2001 hull with TPI motor. How 'bout an early wooden hull with new power plant and accessories? RB |
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The Dude
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$40k. That is why this forum is alive and well.
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JEFF KOSTIS
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Good thread Ken!! Good thoughts!!! If they were to do something like this it might hurt the LOW END competition.
The "average" non-pro skier, would buy the NEW CC CLa$$IC, as they wouldnt spend 40K for a 196. Jeff.. |
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