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    Posted: June-19-2006 at 9:05am
Boat is running rough. Idles fair, runs high speed ok. Mid range is rough. Had this before in another boat, it was the plugs. When idling in the drive driveway, I pulled each plug wire. Made no difference on three plugs so I replaced all plugs. Still the same. Tested plug wires and found no continuity on some. Replaced all wires. Still sounds a little rough (haven't had back in water, so not a great test yet) What is next? Timing? Which would be bad, since I don't know how to do that or have a light. I have heard of people adjusting timing by sound...is that doable? Or might it be something else?
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Spray some carb cleaner down each side of the intake while it is idling. If it smooths off or revs you have a intake leak. If not that I would change the power valve in the carb.
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leave the power valve alone unless it is backfiring.

Set the timing correctly then start adjusting the carb and looking for vaccum leaks.
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79nautique,

Any guidqance on adjusting the carb? Got a new Edelbrock 650 on a '65 Barracuda (318) that was set by the mechanic but has some surging going on at low / mid speeds. Idles great and WOT great just the inbetween speeds.

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sounds like a vaccum leak somewhere, or a fuel delivery issue since it's an off idle surge. Which hole is the accel pump in? there' an arm on top of the carb and two dog ears cast into the top of the carb with a roll bin through it that the arm for the accel pump pivots and on that arm should be two holes, so is the hole that isn't used closets to the pump or in between the pump and cast ears or on the other side of the ears toward to outside of the carb?
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Try fuel filter. It cured mine.
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Did everything I could and still ran crappy if not worse. Gave in and took it to local shop. He checked timing, ok. Changed fuel filter. Took off carb and tried to blow it out to clean it. He said it was pretty crappy inside. Still ran crappy for him.

Decision time. Do I have him rebuild it ($60 for kit, about $300 total, or do I get a new carb from SKIDIM ($500). The mechanic says he will rebuild it but he doesn't like Holleys and says there are a million nooks and crannies where stuff get clogged, and he makes no guarantees on his success. The boat is 16 years old (not my Tique, my other one) about 600 hours, and this guy rebuilt the carb about 5 years ago.

OK guys - what do you think? rebuild or new.
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send the carb and kit to me and I can get it rebuilt for under a $100.00 just make sure it's a holley marine kit, I would suggest you get from rex marine. The mechnaic you have talked to seems a little questionable to me.
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My holley kept running like crap 2 years ago (after 2 rebuilds) and I took it to Carolina Carburetor Specialist Inc. They tested it by putting it on a flow bench and running mineral spirits through it. They said the metering block was defective. So I traded my carb in and got another one, I think it was $175. 1020 Princess Street Wilmington, NC 28401 910-762-4695. These people know carbs, it's all they do.
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     Happy ending. Chris, thanks for the offer and Tim thanks for the info on CCS, I talked to them. Tried to stay local and found a friend to rebuild for me. Tried to find a kit locally too. Say PCM around here and boat shops say "is it OMC or Mercruiser". "no, PCM, Holley". "OK...is it OMC or mercruiser?" Gave up local search and called skidim. My buddy fixed me up good. Runs like a champ now.

     I know this was discussed periodically already, but now I am wondering if I got clobbered with this ethanol thing. I see lots of threads here with carburator issues. Just an article in the local paper today about boaters getting clobbered by it. Might have been the problem.
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ethanol has been in gas for years and is nothing to worry about, now if you used the e85 stuff then that's different and it won't run right with out major changes to the carb.
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