(Cracked Block) - Sudden Milky Oil - 351w |
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8122pbrainard
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Andy,
Set up your hose connection like Tim has recommended and many have followed. It's been posted several times but here's a recent thread (Disregard the picture of CQ!) The RWP will suck what is needed and the rest of the water will go out the hull pick up or all of the water if the engine isn't running. |
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LeftFieldEngineering
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It sees whatever my well pump is pushing, and I'm guessing that's not a good idea?
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8122pbrainard
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Andy,
What's you set up with hooking up the hose? Is it a "Timmy Tee" which does not valve off the hull pick up or does the hook up see whatever pressure is at the hose? |
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LeftFieldEngineering
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I pulled the plugs after a 4 hour cool down & the plugs are clean.
Reinstalled plugs, hooked up to the hose & rain again for another 20 min, still Clean Oil. Both of my last 2 runs I turn on the hose as soon as the motor fired, as opposed to turn it on before like I would prior. Of course still not in the clear because that water had to come from somewhere, but it's better than finding water pissing out the dipstick hole. Maybe the boat changed it's mind when threatened to cut it up into another bar if it didn't get it's sh*t together. Or it finally realized just who it's F-ing with. One statement went through my head a lot this weekend, and it's something we should all remember: "If man put it together, it can be fixed". |
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Bri892001
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I think you might be onto something there... I forget the details of how this happens (and it's been explained to me a couple times), but somehow if an exhaust manifold or associated gasket is weak/compromised, an engine that is being forced water on the hose is more prone to ingesting water than one that is sucking up it's own from a bucket. But, this shouldn't happen unless there is already an issue, but forcing feeding it water from the hose brings out the weakness. |
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LeftFieldEngineering
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Update: I drained the oil last night, took out about 1-3/4 to 2 gallons of chocolate milk. It didn't separate much over night so I can't really determine how much air / water / oil there was.
Edit: I did add about 2/3 - 1 qt of diesel for the last 10 seconds of the engine flush so that wasn't accounted for in the volume total above. I finished changing the oil this morning, hooked it up to the hose & fired it up. In was expecting to run it for 5 min and see milky oil. I ran it for 30 min from idle to 3000 rpm trying to simulate my pass at the lake yesterday. The motor acted normal, good oil pressure, smooth operation, thermostat opened & closed a half a dozen and every time I pulled the dipstick it was at the same level with clean oil... WTF? I mean this DOESN'T happen, the oil level can't be 2-3" higher with milky oil one day then after an oil change be fine the next day. The only think I can think of is Friday during / after my carb test I accidentally left the hose hooked up and ON for 10-15 min after shutting the motor down. If there was a leak in the exhaust manifold perhaps it forced its way into a pistol and leaked passed the rings and into the crankcase over night. Then I fired it up in the AM to find a milky mess. I'll let it cool down today and pull the plugs this afternoon. |
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Smithfamily
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That sucks Andy! Really sorry to read that. Good news, plenty of time to figure it out before your season kicks in. Good Luck!!
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Js
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Gary S
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I had ran mine in the spring to get it to the boat ramp and had no problems. In the fall when I was done with the hull work I was running it on a hose just to warm it up to change the oil. Saw the shake but it did not seem to add much volume. Dejected I talked it over with Tim and he had made some recommendations. Did a compression check and noticed a little water on #7 plug. Pulled the manifold and you could see the rust streak in the port and manifold already. So you should be able to see something if your getting that much water. Good luck hope it's something simple
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LeftFieldEngineering
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I'm currently installing new valve cover gaskets & plan on doing an oil flush & change. I'm positive it will happen again, but I want to make sure I can duplicate the milky oil I got at the lake in the driveway hooked up to the hose. Plus I found a hand tight intake manifold bolt so I'm going to torque the intake and re-test.
If that fails it'll be time to pull the heads & exhaust manifolds for a go-for-broke inspection. |
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65 'cuda
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Carefully disassemble, I had a head gasket failure due to a broken distributor, I could see the track across the surface of the gasket and the block where the water crossed. Was a very small area, not more than a 1/4 inch. But it put a lot of water into the oil. I also think a bunch of air gets emulsified in making it look worse than it is.
if you don't find an obvious track across a gasket surface, then you will have to dig deeper. Drain, fill with new oil, warm it up, and repeat until the oil is clear again. |
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LeftFieldEngineering
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Aside from just crossing fingers & replacing gaskets is there any good way to go about narrowing it down?
I pulled the valve covers and the plugs in the heads are in great shape so no luck there. |
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Gary S
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I know how you feel Andy I had it happen last fall. Hopefully it will just be a gasket
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jimsport93
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Sorry to hear the bad news Andy. Hopefully, you can get her up and running again quickly!
Have really enjoyed your thread. Great work. |
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Fl Inboards
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intake manifold or gasket, head gasket or head crack, worse case crack in water jacket on engine block.
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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LeftFieldEngineering
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I thought I was done with this milky oil BS. The whole reason I swapped the 351w for the 302 was the 302 had milky oil. I've ran the 351 for 3+ hours since the motor swap with clean oil every time... Except last night / today.
I've been running the boat off the hose the past few days while working on the carb. Last night I noticed one drop of water on the dip stick, oil was still clean so I wiped it down, checked again and it was gone. I dismissed it as condensation. This morning I slipped the Tique into the lake, hooked up my vac gauge to the PCV intake and took it down the lake to warm it up. I opened the engine cover to adjust the idle when I noticed the unplugged PCV hose had puked about a 6 ounces of milky oil all over the engine bay. I immediately shut down the motor & checked the stick. 6" up the stick was chocolate milk. I limped it back to the ramp and brought it home. No dirty plugs, which I was really surprised with because the motor was running extremely rich just the other day. I mean the plugs were pristine. I checked the compression and was between 110-120 on all cyls. There must be a huge leak to fill the pan that much with a 1 min ride down the lake & back. Where to I go from here? |
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