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    Posted: February-15-2015 at 12:03pm
I'm rebuilding the RWP pump on my '72 Skier.
It's a Sherwood P 10700 G.
Looking for John Crane ceramic seal #JC-2786
and an SKF bearing, SKF 466041.
I've found local sources, but not nearby and
none brand-name.
Can you suggest an on-line supplier?
Of possible interest: Sherwood drawing says pump "capacity" -- their words, not mine -- is 6 GPM @1000 RPM.


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In my experience if depco pump doesnt have them then they cant be had... www.depcopump.com. I don't have access to my records but that looks very much like an interceptor pump that I rebuilt using parts from depco 7 or 8 years ago.
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I just rebuilt the same pump this week. THE Sherwood pump website is a good source of info even though that pump is not pictured. I found all of the parts I needed at Marine Parts Source.
Seal & Seal Assembly - SH10545
Bearing   - SH04257
Retaining Ring (2) - SH04258
Retaining Ring (1) - SH04259

Total price was $56 including shipping.
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Grant,
Any bearing distributor will be able to get you both the seal and bearing with ease. Depco pump is also a good choice. I would avoid any source with the word "marine" in it. I feel Gregg paid at least twice what he should have!!


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Marine parts source has always had very good pricing on vintage Chrysler tune up parts, you may be thinking of West Marine, Pete?

That SKF part number is at least $15-20 online. $45 for all the Sherwood specific part numbers seems reasonable to me!

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Bearing suppliers will be listed under "power transmission". Here's Fleck in St. Louis

Tim,
No I am not thinking of West Marine! I've purchased power transmission products from day one of my work and that was back in 1975!


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I too like to get bearings at an industrial supply house.    I feel that I am getting a better part.   Timken, SKF, Fafnir are good if I can get name brand.
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Thanks for responses.
Missouri Machinery here in STL can provide the SKF bearing at a fair price $12; but they don't have the seal.
I was told the seal is a special product made only for Sherwood and has limited distribution -- O'Reilly Auto Parts being one seller. But O'Reilly tells me they have only a house brand -- not JC -- and their price is ridiculous (twice what Missouri Machinery gets for the SKF brand.)
Yes, I try to avoid "Marine" companies.
And -- the Sherwood drawings for this pump don't seem to have the numbers I've found on the parts.
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Where do you think Missouri Machinery goes for bearings and seals for their pumps?????


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Pete,
I dunno -- I'll ask a long-time customer of them Monday.
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Drawings by Sherwood don't list the #'s I've found on my pump's parts. i.e., the bearing and seal in the pump have numbers not found on the drawings.



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This is Missouri Machine's website:
   http://www.momach.com/
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Originally posted by GMacLaren GMacLaren wrote:

Drawings by Sherwood don't list the #'s I've found on my pump's parts. i.e., the bearing and seal in the pump have numbers not found on the drawings.

Do you want to buy the parts from Sherwood? OEM's never use part manufacturers #'s on purchased parts. They want to add 400% to their cost and sell the part! Go by the #'s on the bearing and seal.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Go by the #'s on the bearing and seal.

Yes, that's what I'm doing.
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Don't rule out ebay either,I bought some NTN's for my Sherwoods for 13 shipped----
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. . . or maybe Amazon?

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Bearing suppliers will be listed under "power transmission". Here's Fleck in St. Louis

Tim,
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Pete, FYI, Fleck has neither item.
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30Rock's source would have them shipped by now.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Grant,
Bearing suppliers will be listed under "power transmission". Here's Fleck in St. Louis

Tim,
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Pete, FYI, Fleck has neither item.

I'm not surprised since no one really stocks anything anymore. So, when can they get them or better yet, a drop ship would get them to your tomorrow.


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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

In my experience if depco pump doesnt have them then they cant be had... www.depcopump.com. I don't have access to my records but that looks very much like an interceptor pump that I rebuilt using parts from depco 7 or 8 years ago.


Depco has parts in stock by Sherwood #s.
$21.23 (for a $12.00 bearing), $33.67 for the seal.
Plus shipping.

Salesman said "You could probably do much better at a local bearing house. We get our parts from Sherwood."

Since I'm in no rush for this pump, I'll continue looking.
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Originally posted by GMacLaren GMacLaren wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Grant,
Bearing suppliers will be listed under "power transmission". Here's Fleck in St. Louis


Pete, FYI, Fleck has neither item.

I'm not surprised since no one really stocks anything anymore. So, when can they get them or better yet, a drop ship would get them to your tomorrow.

Grant,
I just happened to pick Fleck due to your location. Here's Bearing Headquarters and they do have locations close to you but most likely would drop ship as well. I have never heard of Fleck but I go back 40 years with Bearing Headquarters.

So, did Fleck even mention they could get the parts? If yes, did they even say they could drop ship?



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So, did Fleck even mention they could get the parts? If yes, did they even say they could drop ship?

They did not mention, nor suggest that they could get the parts. My local NAPA guy will have the bearing in tomorrow. He searched and searched for the seal. He thinks I have the # wrong, but I found it using a loop. One dealer said it was a proprietary part, available only through two sellers -- O'Reilly being one. I phoned O'R; they said they could get both items. I'll pick up/look at the NAPA bearing tomorrow. Not sure yet about the seal, but I'm in no rush for it.

BTW, I have the '77 pump back together -- cleaned up, new bolts, "O" ring and impeller -- installed dry. Before starting the boat, I'll dump water in at the top of the pump's outlet hose. Hope that keeps it cool and primed.



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The seal kit is a pump/marine specific part. I don't think a bearing company is going to have the seal. The bearing is nothing special. My NAPA friend measured mine, it's the same as a throw out bearing.









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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

The seal kit is a pump/marine specific part. I don't think a bearing company is going to have the seal.

Tim,
You are correct that a "bearing company" will not have a pump seal but a power transmission distributor will. This I know from personal experience servicing hundred of pumps.


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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

The seal kit is a pump/marine specific part. I don't think a bearing company is going to have the seal. The bearing is nothing special. My NAPA friend measured mine, it's the same as a throw out bearing.

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Make sure you pay attention to the order and direction of the old parts.

Tim, thanks for very helpful pics. I was not looking for the "kit" -- just the seal. Now that I know how the seal is sold, I'll be better able to communicate with a possible vendor. ( I don't think I wanted to know this much about the old pump. ) BTW, I think this (the pictured kit) is probably the seal kit O'Reilly offers. I may stop by there tomorrow with your photo on my iPad.
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I've rebuilt mine twice over the years. Never seen just the shaft seal by itself (which is two pieces), only as a kit with the spring and cup washer.

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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

I've rebuilt mine twice over the years. Never seen just the shaft seal by itself (which is two pieces), only as a kit with the spring and cup washer.

The spring and washer is part of the seal. The spring is what keeps pressure on the ceramic face.

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I think you are confused as to what a seal is and a pump rebuild kit. The kit is from the OEM and includes other parts besides the seal.


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The spring and washer is part of the seal. The spring is what keeps pressure on the ceramic face.
Grant,
I think you are confused as to what a seal is and a pump rebuild kit. The kit is from the OEM and includes other parts besides the seal.

Yes, confused. I was looking for the only part I thought I needed -- a ceramic seal by John Crane sporting the # JC-2786. Now I'll be looking for the "kit" which I think O'Reilly and others handle. It wasn't until Tim posted the photos that I understood -- or think I understand -- what I'll be buying.
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I like that style G21 because with the recessed pump plate you don't have to worry with a paper seal between the front housing and plate.
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I like that style G21 because with the recessed pump plate you don't have to worry with a paper seal between the front housing and plate.

Yes, me too. The G-21's "O" ring passed my leak test today.

BTW, The # on the bearing removed from the pump was SKF 466041. The markings on the SKF bearing purchased today (2/17/15) were: 17307H ITALY SKF 6202/15.875-2LS/C3LT10. And, the number on the NAPA package is 202-NPP5. (Go figure, no wonder the NAPA guy had trouble finding it.)



If I had known the NAPA number 202-NPP5, I could have paid $12-something, not $23.07 for the bearing.

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