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    Posted: June-12-2012 at 2:13pm
alternator wasn´t charging the battery, moved the wires, checked conections, looks like I was loosing it somewhere. Now its working fine...
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    On the hard start ~ If it comes back (battery / alt / timing ok)....

A bad wire connection (high resistance) will produce lots of heat. With a quick touch test, The one that that tries to burn your hand is the bad connection.
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Not yet next time out I´ll have it timed. But prior to pulling the heads it was properly timed and checked to 10º initial. Never checked full advance curve, but I would suspect its working properly, as the dizzy is fairly new. Other than the noise it was running strong even with 7 cylinders!
I don´t have a ligth nor know how to use it so I have to take my friend to time it.
Good news i´m not seeing any water in the oil or at the plug wells.



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Have you actually checked your timing yet, even if you never touched it in the course of the repair it was suspected as a possible cause of the original problem ??
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it was not the advance actually, the batery wasn´t charging at all, as you can see on my post I had 14v on the alternator and 12 on the batery with the engine running....
It would start cold after seating for a while, but after a few cranks it would loose power....
Today I went again to check all the conections from the alt to the breaker, it was all tight, anyway I rechecked every conection. Had to jump the batery to start the engine. Then took reading again, and now is charging. Let it warm, and did several restart and is now cranking fine.
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actually i didn´t remove the dizzy, was able to remove the intake w/o touching it. Just had the conector unhooked.
But yes timing needs to be checked anyway.
The bog depends on how you give it gas, I you hammer it bogs a little then it catches, if you go gradually, it take off fine no bogging at all.
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Hard hot starting would be too much timing or bad wiring/starter.

You mentioned you have a slight bog on take off, but runs fine up top. I wonder if your distributor weights got stuck in the advanced position.
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Check the base timing, sounds like its advanced. You had the dizzy off and didnt recheck the timing after reinstalling it?
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now seems like 1 1/2 month sleep, screwed up the battery....
or the timing needs to be set...
on cold starts engine turns over fine, after the test drive when the engine was at running temperature, if I tryed ro restart it would crank slowly, then eventually start, but on a 3rd or or more restart it would crank very slowly. As I didn´t had the tester yestrday I could not see the volts.
Today I went with the tester to take some numbers. Started with no problem, the alternator read around 14-15 volts, with peaks of 16. On the battery it read 12.06 volts...The conections at the battery were little rusty so I disconected and cleaned.
Went for a ride again, 15 minutes. And went back to the marina. T was always between 140 and 160 degrees, probably low due to cold water...
shut the engine, and again it cranks very slowly, it would not even start.
let it cool some minutes and is starts, but on a restart is turns slowly...
So either I have to much advance, or the battery needs some more time to get a full charge? Prior to the engine incident I had no problems...
BTW engine runs smooth.

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That is good news,too bad it's time to put it away   
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well ow you guys some update..

sent the head to the machine shop, and checked fine, had it resurface and cleaned.
also had both manifold planed, all surfaces including the exhaust ports.
finally I did not remove the engine, I turned the engine by hand and compared that all pistons would get to the max heigth, they all did.
last week we put the head with new gasket and put the intake manifold.
Today I went and finished intalling the rest of the things, valve covers, exhaust manifolds, new plugs, etc...
fired right out, and went for a test ride....
relief no engine knock, at all, tried a couple of take off and nothing, look likr the engine is ok. Got to cruise a little hit the 3000rpm mark with no problem.
anyway I need to do some tunning as i have a minimal bog upon take off, then it catches. Need to check timing or do some carb adjustment.
I removed the plugs to check for water intrusion and nothing. Oil is clean, temp is fine.
seems i need to give some more running time as all plugs came clean.

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The hole in the middle is a exhaust cross over. Some gaskets have that little plate installed. Some you install if you want to restrict the exhaust flow through the intake.
One single plane intakes I've welded the cross over up.
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no progress yet, yesterday I removed the other manifold to have the surface planed like the other, It came right off, only thing I busted a couple of knuckles in the process...


I was looking at the gaskets I have at home to compare them to the ones I removed from the engine, they are all felpro, but they are different. This in the picture, the one from the intake manifold: the one on top was intalled and the one on the bottom is the one i will use to reassemble. Other than the larger middle hole for the acc? they are quite the same. Is this OK?
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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

still in search of a local shop that have the machine to properly do the job...


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making "head"way
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good news head is fine, doing the plane and seats...

bad news will need to go further and see the lower train to find the source of the knock....

i will also need to pull apart the other exhaust manifold to take both and have them decked....still in search of a local shop that have the machine to properly do the job...
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unless you want to do it twice...........funny, you always find the time to pull it apart a second time,
make sure that not only they check for cracks but they check it for flatness, check the deck too...not to often does a head gasket go, without a reason, could be as simple as stretched, weak bolts, just cover your bases...I know how some mechanics can be....the famous cliche "it will be fine" which translates too, "on your dime"
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you are correct there, it would be a double labor puting it back together to find the knock again...
I´ll go that way...

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Granted I have not personally heard the "knock" but other than a valve witness mark or something on the piston to explain it I am leaning toward your water in the cylinder trying to be compressed by the piston pushing water through the head gasket and bending the rod, or head gastet leaking first but either way a bent rod Causing the knock. Or a hot piston sticking could also bend a rod.   Other than the labor pullin it apart there isn much reason not to at least check the rods
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So definetely I will need to pull the engine to check the rods...
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Don't put it back together without checking those rods
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

Did you have the knock after changing the bad plug?


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Kap, you just may have caught it in time, dodged a bullet. I hope it's back up and running soon.
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Interesting Kap. When I changed over to gt40p's I got everything together before I pulled it apart. I pulled off the old Felpro standard gaskets I had used and replaced them with PCM marine ones.Did not know what I was going to find on tear down and thought I'd be better off using the marine ones. The Felpro's looked fine and since you have them I'd use them.
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Did you have the knock after changing the bad plug?
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yes, the ones that came on the PCM OEM kit...

I have 2 extra sets of felpro gaskets that came with the engine kit from summit...was planning on using those when I put it back together...

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