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8122pbrainard
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John,
The front seal popped because of a bad rebuild. You just can't put in a new clutch pack and say it's good. That front seal does not see any pressure if the pump is good. You didn't send it to FFM did you!!! You sent it to someone who thinks he knows about rebuilding but should stay in the back yard!! |
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jzarski
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Hello everyone. I am in need of some transmission help. I had the tranny in my boat rebuild and have been taking it out when I get time. The other day I put the new prop on and wanted to see if she was dialed in. Well she is dialed in.... 4400RPM 41MPH on the GPS. I am so happy. Well to the issue. Backed her down to 3500 and was crusing when the the boat jerked and we lost forward. Tranny fluid all over the bildge. Took the motor and tranny and to find the front seal popped out???? What causes this. I took it back to the oerson that rebuild it but I don't want to get the run around so I am asking you all what should he tell me???
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kapla
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hey John!
did you finish the boat? pics? water test? fishing? lol |
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jzarski
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Hey Taylor, I went with Hydraulic. It doesn't turn very good at slow speeds but if you hit the throttle a bit and back it down it respondeds well. I am not a fan of the teleflex steering systems, so I am not a good person to ask about whats better. I also went Hydro because I have another steering station in the tower. Love to see some pictures of your boat!!! John |
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taylor114
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hi
your boat project is amazing. im redoing the engine compartment currently. need to put new steering in. i know about the 10.5" throw on the correct craft unit. did you re-install this or do hydraulic? how does your turn at slow speeds? would love to hear what you think is the best option. thanks taylor |
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jzarski
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Its all powder coated. Thank you. I do like it alot better then the Alum look
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ultrarunner
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Did you have the tower powder-coated, or is it painted? It looks really sharp!
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eric lavine
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A plus
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tuna_tugger
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John, you have done a great restoration to the boat but the motor is a pain in the ass to get set upight. Yer it is a reverse rotation motor. I tried the Holly carb. and it lasted a while the lots of problem and the carb. mechanic down here didn't so I put an elenbroch and it runs fine. The oly other change I made was electronic ignition. I set the timming to +6 deg. and run regular gas with a bottel or two of octaine buster and no pinging.
Have you weighted the boat now that it is rigged? After watching about 3/4 of your rebuild I decided to sell the boat because I don't have the time and I'm to old. Plus it used to much gas to use it for charter. We still have a 23' ponga with a 100 HP 4stroke so it payes for it self and I still catch some great fish. Good luck. |
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TRBenj
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Correct, yes, and yes. R = RH. Im not sure what this has to do with getting your engine running properly though.
I would have started asking questions before starting to throw parts (and money) at the problem, but I guess better late than never. Before we can help, you'll need to give us some background info and some more details: 1. What transmission do you have in the boat (presumably a Velvet Drive 1:1)? 2. What prop are you running? 3. Describe how the boat runs. Does it come out of the hole strong and run right up to 3000 RPM? Does it run at a higher RPM momentarily and degrade to that level? Or is it doggy all the time and never gets above 3k? 4. What size and style Holley did you put on the boat? 5. Describe "perfect timing". Did you check the base? The advance? What did you get for total timing (at 3k RPM)? 6. Have you verified the firing order? What is it? |
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SNobsessed
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Gas flow restriction? Check fuel pickup, anti-sihpon valve, filter, maybe even pump.
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Jllogan
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this may be a dumb question but did you adjust the carb? Same thing on the dizzy is the dwell/gap set correctly?
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jzarski
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Calling all you motor heads.. I need help
The motor in the Fish is an 81 351W serial #212936 Model # PRD WR R10. PCM says this is a Right hand rotation motor. Does this mean that it truley turns opp. of a car? If so, is the cam also a right hand cam? I am asking this so I can try and get the motor running right. I have had the boat in the water a few times and I can't get the motor over 3000RPM without it falling on its face. I just put a brand new in the box Holly marine Carb on it and I am still having the same issue. The timing is spot on and the dist. is also brand new. Coil seems to be fine but I have not changed that yet. Wanted to try and pick a few brains here before I just keep spending a bunch a money on things that are not bad. Thank you all in advance. JOhn |
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jzarski
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Thank you Gary, I am hoping to have some professional pictures in a few days of the inside and outside. As soon as I get them I will post them for everyone to see. She has only been wet once. It ran ok, the carb is in bad shape so I bought a new one and need to put it on. I will keep everyone posted!!
John |
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Gary S
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Awesome job John! I just went back and looked at the pictures at the start of your thread,really a transformation.
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8122pbrainard
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First, welcome to CCfan. Are you putting this outboard on a Fish? We'd sure love to see some pictures! Second, take some time and go through John's complete thread on his rebuild. You will then find what he did to reinforce the transom. Third, if you'd like, add your first name to your profile. Spending some time on CCfan, you'll find that most here go by first names rather than screen names. Fouth, if you do infact have a Fish, make sure you get some pictures and text submitted for the diaries section. Not to many Fish's around so it would be a fantastic addition. |
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aquatop
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A question about how you reinforce the outboard bracket to the transom. Did you have to thicken the interior before bolting on the bracket? If so how was it done and how thick with what material. The 300hp yamaha must weight close to 600lbs and the fish nautique was not design for an outboard but I have one and want to put on a similar heavy outboard on mine. I have an Armstrong V shape bracket and wanted to install but saw that the exterior skin is only 1/2-3/4" thick and the interior skin is much thinner.
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kapla
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nice tower!!! no speaker or board racks!!!
nice work there john! |
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jzarski
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As soon as the wind dies down here on the east coat of FL. It's blowing 25 MPH
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BuffaloBFN
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You do nice work sir! When is the maiden voyage?
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jzarski
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Well I am still working on the boat. She is pretty much done. Here are a few pics
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nautique frk
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Awesome !!
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kapla
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at least the spammer read the thread! LOL!
nice work John |
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Green Durant
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air-conditioned baiter! I attending advanced to seeing the advance.
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Keeganino
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Truly amazing adventure! I have enjoyed following it. You will be in the Bahamas in no time!
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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jzarski
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Done
Well I know I haven't been posting any progress and thats because I haven't had time. I have been working hard on the boat to finish, I have also been working full time. Besides all the real work I have been able to finish the boat. Yeah you heard it right the 23' Fish Nautique Restoration is complete. It has been a year and a week since my fist post and a long road. These postings will continue until the boat is 100% perfect. I plan on splashing her this week, I will make a video of the first run. I will be taking finish pictures this week also and will post them when I have them. For now enjoy the few pics I have been taking... |
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8122pbrainard
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John,
Once again it was a pleasure seeing your fantastic work!! |
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Polar Express
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I just saw this thread (I'm new here) and this is a cool thread. Thank you for taking the time to document what you have done.
PE |
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Kristof
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Fantastic!!
Can't wait to see this beauty in all of her glory when you finish her... |
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