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71Nautique
Newbie Joined: December-07-2009 Location: Marietta, GA Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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This 21 ounce material is definitely thinner than the original stuff. The original has some type of woven fabric backing which made it thicker. The new material is completely vinyl and should be waterproof. I pulled hard on the corners of my samples and it stretches a bit, but does not tear. That's why I think that gluing it down will make it even stronger and more durable. I'm going to glue it on the top surface of the flooring and wrap it around the edges to the backside of the plywood and use SS staples there.
I replaced the wood and vinyl in our '71 SN in 1978. The material was also heavier with a fabric backing like the original, but doesn't have the same texture / pattern. I glued that down then and it's still there. I am concerned that gluing that vinyl may have worked better because of its fabric backing. This new 21 ounce vinyl does have some woven-type texture on its backside, though. Also, the 27" width is not a problem. I just wish the double roll this stuff comes in had a few more running feet! We are removing some waterlogged foam now. There was water there, mostly in the exhaust hose wells, but so far it hasn't been as bad as I expected. There are some extra screw holes in the tops of the stringers behind the engine and I probed them and the wood is solid there. So far, this boat doesn't seem to have anything close to the saturation I found in the '71 SN back in 1991. I appreciate everyone's comments, questions and suggestions as I consider this material for our '67. Thanks! - Larry |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Larry,
I admire your searching and finding what looks like the original flooring. Good work! I'm not following you with the edge sealing. Are you trying to seal the edge of the 3/8 ply flooring? If so, we need to talk to some more about epoxy, glass cloth and CPES. BTW, you may want to consider going to 1/2" ply. 3/8 isn't much. EDIT: Double check (call) that the vinyl is only available 27" wide. I just got off the phone with Charlie (brady) and all the samples he got were available in 54" widths. Are you dealing with just a distributor or did you go to the manufacturer? I'd hate to see you have to seam up the middle of the boat. Have we discussed the stringer condition of the boat? |
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MartyMabe
Grand Poobah Joined: February-21-2006 Location: High Point,NC Status: Offline Points: 3974 |
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Web address? Or what's the name of the joint where you're getting this?
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storm34
Grand Poobah Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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Good find! I think I have a few pieces of the basket weave from my Skier in my pile of saved stuff. I'll try and locate it, but it'll be a few days...everything is covered in ice here in Iowa!
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Keeganino
Grand Poobah Joined: October-27-2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2063 |
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Larry that looks pretty good to me. I do not have a sample of mine nearly that big to go from but I would say it was similar to that.
Based on what I have read on this site you might use 3M 5200 to seal those edges instead of paint. We would all love to see pictures of a new vinyl floor! |
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71Nautique
Newbie Joined: December-07-2009 Location: Marietta, GA Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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Hi Everyone. Please let me know what you think of this. Here are some photos of a 21 ounce basketweave vinyl wallcovering material I located along with a piece of original vinyl I found in the bilge of our '67 Barracuda. The color and pattern of the original piece are exactly like what I remember of the original vinyl in our '71 SN. The new material has a very similar pattern, but it's a smaller and finer pattern. This is the only thing I can find that's even close to the original. I haven't ordered it yet. It comes in a double roll 27" wide by 28' long which will be barely long enough for the Barracuda's flooring. The cost with tax and shipping will be $95. I'm planning to glue it down to the 3/8" plywood flooring, wrap it around the backside and staple the edges there and seal the edges with paint. I think the gluing will make it much stronger and more durable. I will appreciate any comments and advice. Thanks - Larry
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Mojo
Grand Poobah Joined: December-06-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3104 |
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Yes, you could be the hero of many if you could find something that looks original and is readily available... Good Luck with the task. Keep us informed !!
Moj' |
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73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41040 |
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Keegan,
Just as Marty stated, it is a heavy weight vinyl wall covering. Take his advice and get a piece of the original into a wall covering store. Don't trust what you find looking at pictures as colors and patterns vari. You can even see the big difference in the two pictures Dave posted of the same floor. Lots of different patterns and colors were used through the years. Keep us informed of what you find. The original should only be stapled at the edges under trim and the cockpit side base. |
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MartyMabe
Grand Poobah Joined: February-21-2006 Location: High Point,NC Status: Offline Points: 3974 |
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It is a heavy weight vinyl, Mr. Pete Brainerd says.Hang on to what ever pieces you have! Take the boat inside, let it get good and warm, then maybe use a heat gun,blow dryer, and your wife's plastic spatula and see if you can get some good useable samples to take to a wall covering store.If you need help,give me a call
Marty Mabe 1-336-847-8676 |
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Keeganino
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Dave, Thanks for the pics and what a beauty you have! Please help me out with these questions. I pulled up the carpet in my 73 skier and the floor underneath looks like the first picture here, but is in terrible condition as it has been under rotting carpet for who knows how long. Is that surface just the glass deck or is that actually something glued down. The second picture looks like a completely different surface altogether. Is the second picture the vinyl? I do not like the idea of putting carpet back in now that I know it was not stock, but I have to do something. Thanks Keegan |
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MartyMabe
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Which would be period correct for the ole 66? I remember the white flooring and the aluminum strips and upon talking to my dad he says about a year after we had it, this is when he went on a vacation for 4 days with the boat,and came back with some kind of astro turf in it, that he had taken it to a guy that owned a wooden Chris Craft,that he had just redone.He tells me that they took the flooring up,and refoamed it,refloored it,and that's that.I remember that mahogoney CC was rad! He was a fireman(my dad) and worked the 3 days on,4 days off, and every 3rd month got 2 weeks off!I'd just been talking to him about this vinyl floor post and he tells me about that. I told him that I thought it had the vinyl floor at one time. He said that even though I was 8 or 9 ,he thought I would have remembered all that.
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The Godfather
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Tim, I was told the flooring vinyl is original in my boat. The wood was replaced, but he used the same vinyl. He was able to remove it from the original wood. That's what he told me. Dave |
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8122pbrainard
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Bruce,
I've got the original blue Nautolex on the floor of the X55. The stuff is quite heavy and I say it would be difficult to bend around corners like the kick on your Cuda. I'd say what you're looking at on the kick is the heavy weight vinyl wall covering. Dave, I've seen the weight of the vinyl wall covering that CC used when working at Watercraft Sales in the late 60's and early 70's. I also remember it in the 70 Cuda I had as well as Charlie's (brady) 70 Cuda. I'd say the 21oz. material is heavier than the original. Also, I know Charlie sent away for sample vinyl wall coverings. I'll ask him if he remembers the weights and can compare them to the original in his boat. |
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Riley
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The 68 Barracuda we picked up looks like it has the natural Nautolex on the kickboard. I have not removed the kick board yet, so haven't been able to judge if it may be orginal.
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TRBenj
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I was wondering the same thing... Dave (Godfather), is that the original floor covering? It looks more like Nautolex, which is a marine vinyl floor covering, rather than the "wall covering" that was supposed to have been original in the Mustangs in the late 60's and early 70's. I requested Nautolex samples sometime back and think the "shark" looks really good. Not sure how close to original it is though. |
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RainDog
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I like the black floor as well. It visually 'grounds' the interior. Surprisingly, it does not get really hot in the sun. Maybe in the south it would be an issue, but up here a little extra heat is usually welcome.
Being rubber and black, it is pretty easy to keep clean. I don't think white would be a problem though. Anyhow, until I can get the correct white chevron material, I'll keep what is there. |
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Riley
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The black looks good in the Classic. Steve, your interior came out really nice.
Here's white in Reid's Classic. It looks good too, but no doubt requires more cleaning. |
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Mojo
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Dave,
That salt and pepper pattern is available through Cabellas. Thanks for the pics !!!! I think that would go in the cuda quite nicely.. Any way to "Mic" this thickness of the covering ? The white rubber material is also available as well as the black. Steve, I like the black floor... Can't imagine white white would look like after a season... Peter, what was the thickness of the original cross hatch material? Is a 20+ ounce material thick enough to wear? Pics are great guys. We'll obviously find out that a number of materials would have been used as CC continued on their tradition of using what was around and available at the time... Thanks Moj' |
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73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
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RainDog
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Bruce,
I compromised. I used black ribbed rubber from McMaster. Since my interior deviated sufficiently from original, I didn't go to great extremes to match the flooring. If I do find white chevron vinyl flooring, to refit the boat would only take an afternoon. |
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Riley
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Eric, Sound like that flooring is what may have been used in the later boats, too, only a different color. I'll let you know what I find, please do the same.
Steve, what did you use in your Classic? |
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The Godfather
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Dave, Here are a couple of shots of my floor. Hope this will help. Dave |
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clarkebar
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Bruce,
My flooring is white. The only concern I have about the newer style is the thickness. My old one is quite thick. If you get some samples that you are happy with please let me know. |
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RainDog
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Ditto. My kickboard covering and exhaust straps and fuel line support all used the same white rubber/vinyl chevron pattern
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Riley
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Eric, what color is your floor?
Getting samples is a good idea. The dot stuff I ordered was much thinner than I expected. |
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Brady
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Many of the supply houses will send samples for a nominal fee, you really should do this as the image on the screen can be quite misleading.
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Charlie
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connorssons
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Thanks pete! if i can figure out how to post pics, ill show you my project.
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clarkebar
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My 62 floor coovering was not the basket weave. It is more like raised lines set at 45 degrees from each other. They did the samething on mine as Bruce's 63. They used small strips of the same material and nails to hold the electrical wires, fuel line, exhaust hoses and cables. I can't find anything even close to the original. I have most of the original flooring but it is hard and brittle so I will pick one that is close.
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8122pbrainard
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Jeff,
For a 72, I'd go with something like the second sample I posted. Maybe a little lighter in color. |
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connorssons
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Good morning pete! no i dont, boat was pretty rough when baught it. had a tree growing out of floor. any help on original pattern would be a great help. thank you jeff
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8122pbrainard
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Jeff, Do you have any of the original? Take a look at the US Vinyl site and see what you can find. There may be some that are even closer to the original than the ones I posted. |
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