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    Posted: August-14-2009 at 1:31am
I just finished replacing my muffler with a Y pipe.

Here's the background. A few weeks ago we almost swamped the boat when the muffler started leaking due to a crack in the bottom caused by rubbing on the hull. Anyone with a low profile 2 into 1 muffler under the floor should make sure the rubber pads are still in place to keep this from happening. For me it was too late.

I ordered a Centek fiberglass Y pipe 3 1/2 into 4 and 4 1/2 feet of corrugated hose from Matt at Race City Marine. Checked out with no leaks. I'll post some pics tomorrow. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten by with 4 feet as I had about 6" left over.

Anyone concerned about too much noise without a muffler, don't worry. There's a little more rumble at idle but I really did not notice much difference when cruising. The fiberglass down pipes and all that rubber hose must act as mufflers.

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Phil, glad you got it together! Looking forward to pics!
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Glad it all came together for u! Looking forward to the pictures ! Let me know if I can help

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yes get the pictures coming.
i'm interested in the setup..I might want to do a dual setup but not as fancy as tim ones...
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Here's what it looks like. Pretty clean and simple install.

I zip tied one of the rubber pads from the old muffler around the Y pipe to make sure it can't rub on the hull.

Once I got this done, I noticed trans fluid in the bilge - always something! Since I had the floor and doghouse out, it was easy to figure out the source of the leak - a bad trans cooling line - got that fixed and I'm back on the water.

Skiing behind the boat, I notice it is a bit louder but not offensive. Makes it seem like I'm going a few MPH faster!

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In case you noticed the ripped blower hose, I fixed that too!
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looks good...
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i like em a little louder!!!
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but how is the rumble when idling on cruising at 1500-2000 rpm for the ones seating in the backseat?
is it tolereable? i wonder for the small kids...
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70 do you have another picture of the joint or connection from the elbows to the fiberglass pipes from engine to floor? those to fabricate them or they came like that? they need to be in FB or is the same if use rubber hose?
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Nice job and "rumble" is always good!
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Hi Kapla,

I'd say noise in the backseat is halfway between an older 70's boat with no mufflers and the stock 97 and that was with the seat out. I think if the seat was in it would be a bit quiter.

The fiberglass downtubes were stock on the 97. Used to have short sections of hose connecting these to the muffler. I'm sure you could run flex hose all the way from the risers to the Y pipe.
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Good work Phil! Now get that thing out to Diamondhead and lets get you through the course! Then you can convince the rest of my family to get a 97!
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Phil,
How did you pay for the pipe? Also will a 2000 Air Nautique be the same sizes for the Y pipe as the 97 Nautique
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote michiel200 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September-16-2009 at 5:38am
Nice and clean modification, Phil.
I miss the V8 sound of my previous '69 Boesch
So consider it for my 5.8 HO BFN.
Did you notice any change in performance?
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That looks nice. I hate the big muffler on my 95. It really takes up a lot of space. If it was too loud, you could easily slip in a short muffler after the Y to tone it down.
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I bought the Y pipe through Race City Marine. They did a drop ship from Centek so I could get it quickly. Sorry I don't know about the 2000 Air Nautique.

I can't say if the performance changed, I was already under-propped and the boat would turn 5100 RPM at about 45 MPH. A louder boat or car always feels faster though!
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Canada: I think for the air (mid engine mount rigth?) its the same diameter ypipe just little longer hose I think...Please fill in your profile!!! so we know at leat your name!! LOL
Michel for your BFN the engine sits in the back so some other mods are needed to eliminate the muffler...
ThereĀ“s a member called Hotboat who owns a BFN like yours and did the direct pipes exiting from the transom..above the water line!!!or like..
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To do this to a 95 sn, do I need to get the exhaust tubes for a 96-97:


Tubes


To make my mod look like yours? Or can I run a long 3.5" exhaust tube from the risers to the y-pipe?



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http://www.nautiqueparts.com/exhausttubesmufflers1996-1997nautiques.aspx

Didn't post the link correctly in the hyperlink.



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No, you dont *need* the exhaust tubes, you can run straight hose like this '90. The tubes might make it a little easier though.
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Anyone know where I can get the pad that goes under the hull huger muffler. My GT-40 in my '97 Sport appears to not have any pad under the muffler and I notice the noise the first time I started the boat.

No holes in the muffler yet but don't want any.

I figured I'd just see if I could get a soft rubber/foam door mat from Home Depot and cut it to fit. Would love some other suggestions.

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Keith, we use a lot of what we call 'softeners' at work so we can chain down large machined pieces for transport. I'm not exactly sure where they come from, but they appear to be 1/4 to 3/8 in thick rubber with a layer of cloth in the middle, that I believe is some sort of conveyor belt. How big of a piece would you need?   I may have some extras laying around most are about 3 x 6 rectangles.
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Keith, you can get rubber sheet from Mcmaster. There are all sorts of sizes, grades, thicknesses, etc... including adhesive backed. Something like part number 8635K744 may work for the muffler.
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Keith,
I agree with Tim. Through the years I've gotten plenty of rubber sheet from McMaster. One thing I do recommend if you go with the adhesive back is to put a coat on solvent based contact cement on the muffler before sticking the rubber on. Trim the rubber to smaller pieces to protect only the areas that rub on the hull. The smaller pieces will conform to a irregular surface better and will stick better.

The Buna-N is a good choice for the oily bilge.


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Thanks for the suggestions Tim and Pete!

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Hi,I want this setup on my 89. I get the Y pipe and the rubber hose. But what did you use to get from the exhaust manifold down to the rubber hose? It looks like fiberglass.
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Glass tube or hose works.


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Originally posted by Strega51 Strega51 wrote:


Hi,I want this setup on my 89. I get the Y pipe and the rubber hose. But what did you use to get from the exhaust manifold down to the rubber hose? It looks like fiberglass.


These are from 96-97 models originally equipped with the hull hugger muffler:

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