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OldSchoolBlue84
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Hey Ken, they went on well, probably more resistant then a typical bolt. I did verify that I actually did purchase locking nuts. Thanks |
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OldSchoolBlue84
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Hey Tim, yes I did end up ordering the locking nuts with the shackle bolts. I also did purchase the hat bushings and bored them out. All fit well, just was unsure how snug there are suppose to be. The shackle bolts do have a spline to them as well. Thanks again! |
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I bet what Tim bets too . Did they thread on a lot harder than you expected? |
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TRBenj
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I bet the nuts are locking if they came with the shackle bolts. If they look a little oval, they’re locking.
What are you doing for the bushings? Did you get the hats and drill them out? |
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8122pbrainard
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Kostas,
Some shackles are threaded on one side so it's just like double nutting. Take a close look to see if yours's are. |
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Don’t let a Pete see that All good, went back and reviewed my invoice and I actually did order the locking nuts. Well back to work on the other side Thanks for your help!
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Duane in Indy
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Looks like you have room to double nut the bolts. Locks nuts would be my choice though. You can always "red neck" it by taking a chisel and smacking the threads to keep the nuts from coming off. McMaster carr will have the new nuts here in a day
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Duane in Indy
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The later, snug enough for some movement. Should be new lock nuts in the kit. Grease everything cause it does not look like the bolts have zerk fitting in them. I prefer bronze bushings but nylon is ok too. Duane
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Mine are snug but not tight to allow movement without too much wear on the bushings. But others likely have a greater experience basis for this question than me with just one install :).
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Finally getting to install everything. So far so good but I do have one question. How tight to you tighten the shackle bolts? Snug or enough to allow some movement between the links and spring? Appreciate it. Thanks
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Here is the where I ended up getting the rims from: Rims for the 87' SN Trailer |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Even nonexistent bushings don’t cause wandering in my experience (but they’ll make a racket and look scary). Check tongue weight #1 if it wags at speed.
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It seems to trailer great. I do get some movement left to right above 60. I have more investigating to do |
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Wow lots of good information to absorb! Appertiate the comments.
Duane, Johnson’s surplus is awesome. That’s were I purchased the trailer tires I have now. Can not complain for mediocre tires that lasted 5 years, even longer if the inner did not wear out . Is that were you purchased your new axle? |
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Duane in Indy
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Good point Tim. I am not up on the weights as you are. Matching spring weight to trailer /boat load is important |
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The 5k springs should work well on a 2001- with the delux trailer you’re near 3500lbs before you add gas, cooler or ski gear. I’ve used them on a 80’s #4 carrying a similar load and they ride very well. Leaf count and thickness is on par with the factory set up. They are too much spring for the lighter 2-gen SN and standard #3, however (IMHO).
Maybe it has to do with labor rates or implied liability, but none of the trailer shops would touch my bent spindle a few years ago... and they were clearly set up for more serious work than that. New axle they all said. While not the same solid stuff that came on the older trailers, the hollow dexter axle kits are very reasonably priced. If you do end up with a new axle I would absolutely upgrade to the 5200lb version as the aforementioned 2001 weight is line on line with the older 3500lb set up and is surely why cc started overbuilding them soon after. The peace of mind that comes with the extra capacity (and ability to load the boat with equipment) sure is nice for longer hauls. I went through this on the BFN a few years ago. |
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Seem to remember running across one or two. |
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Duane, I completely agree on "over springing". I have actually installed 2500lb springs on a 3500lb axle to match the actual load. Major difference from riding like a rock to a baby carriage!! |
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Kostas, Regarding spindle replacement, give a couple trailer shops and welding shops a call before you condemn the axle. Unlike CT. in the Midwest people do know how to weld metal! |
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Duane in Indy
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Living near the "RV capital" of the world helps out on getting trailer parts. We can get a complete ready to hang new (3500) axle setup for $135.00 That includes everything but the tires and wheels. Springs included. Axles (3500) with electric brakes are under $200.00. I talked to the Dexter rep and he says that the electric setup WILL work in a boat trailer setup. Everything is sealed.
I opted for a surge brake setup only because I wanted disc brakes. Added that to my new CC trailer and just installed the same on my Ranger bass boat trailer. ps. go to the Johnsonsurplussupply site check out the trailer parts. White Pigeon, Michigan |
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Duane in Indy
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If it were me I would stay away from a 5200 lb axle. I just put a new Dexter 3500# axle under my new trailer that I am building. It has 1 1/16" outer bearings and 1 3/8 inner bearings. Plenty stout. The problem with "over springing" a trailer is that your load is not enough to make the spring actually work and you end up transferring all of the road humps and bumps to the boat and have no cushioning effect. Sort of where the "log wagon" term comes about. I doubt that your present axle has been flexing. Old springs tend to wear out and are no longer capable of the load they were made for. JMO Duane |
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Spindles are part of the axle and not easily replaced (no one here in CT does it)... could mean full axle replacement if you find issues.
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It’s been around 4-5 years when I changed the bearings but never payed to much attention to the spindles. Tire wear started maybe around 2 years ago. The plan is to change all components including springs, bushings and bolts as you guys mentioned in this thread. It may not be a bad idea to change the spindles while upgrading everything else. Thanks again for your help!
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Did you check the spindles when you replaced bearings? Worn springs shouldn’t cause uneven tire wear, but a bent spindle, loose bearing/hub or an overloaded axle (that is deflecting) would. Check hangers for straightness and replace all your bushings when you replace the springs. I’d replace the bolts as well.
One option for chrome 14” wheels: http://www.trailer-wheels.com/14x6-inch-Chrome-Spoke-Steel-Trailer-Wheel-5-Lug-1900-lb-Max-Load_p_578.html |
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