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75 Tique
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When lifting things, its important to do it safely and with the proper equipment....or whatever.....
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Since it's on an angle, it might be worth it to make a wood jig that you can drop back in to give confidence during the rebuild.
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Cameron, The mounting height of the cradle and the fore to aft placement are the critical dimensions. The best reference point for the fore to aft is the log. |
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camron18
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. Ill have a few months to figure it all out.
Back to the stringers.. for now, after taking out the engine it is very clear that the stringers are full of rot, hopefully be pulling the cap this weekend, what measurements should i be taking before pulling the engine cradle? Thanks again! |
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Jody at Florida Inboards in Panama City will likely have a used oil pan. He got hit hard in the summer hurricanes. It first looked as if he was going to be out of business, but now it seems he has moved to a new location. His last place was leveled. Look him up on facebook.
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Depending on how much clearance you have under the engine you might be able to use a pan from a Ford truck . i think your engine is mounted at an angle with a PCM 1 to 1 ratio transmission and you'd probably have clearance. Only one way to find out A standard 351 oil pump is just fine especially since a high volume pump won't allow a standard PCM pan to bolt to the block because of the extra depth of the pump housing. as compared to the standard pump. That's a Melling high volume pump that won't fit maybe some other brand would but it's not needed. The standard truck pan would have the same problem with the oil pump depth. |
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I pulled the cap and replaced the stringers on a 84 Supra Comp. Let me know if you need advice on separating the hull. mike hunter 678-227-8833
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i also dont see any oil pumps on skidim?
would it just be a standard 351 oil pump? and i would probably want standard volume? |
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Its a PCM 351 pro boss
the prices for a new oil pan on skidim seem steep? is there a better place to find a new one? No it was not harbor freight. |
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Sorry to hear of the mishap.
Was it a Harbor freight come-along? I have one of those, maybe I should replace it before i get hurt. |
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Cameron, I don't see any mention as to what engine you have and I'm not that familiar with what Hydrodyne used so be aware that some oil pans are hard to find and get. |
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Wow. Glad no one got hurt. Pull the oil pan. I'd replace the oil pump since you'll already have it open and the landing impact may have cracked the oil pump pickup. I'd also just replace the oil pan - they're not too expensive and you don't want it leaking if it's knocked out of square.
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So i cant believe this happened but long story short, a broke come-along, resulted in my engine falling from about 3 feet to the ground. It landed pretty square on the oil pan which i think cushioned most of the fall, then it rolled over onto its port side. we some how got it back up and onto the engine stand.
I couldn't believe it. what should i look for? i think the oil pan is still okay, if i can take it off and bang it back into shape, because the only oil we lost even after it sitting all night was a little bit out the dipstick hole. I want to replace the port exhaust manifold anyway, |
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So after a few very busy months I am tearing into it. I have the engine ready to be pulled today or tomorrow with a come-along hung from a tree, then the gas tank and the top deck. looks like it will be pretty straight forward if i remember to disassemble the lift ring and bow eye assembly.
My question is what measurements exactly, should I be taking before I pull the engine cradle? distance from transom? |
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Cameron,
Sorry I can't directly answer if the stringers have a Balsa core but I have a suggestion. You said you drilled into a stringer and it was soft inside. and this could mean rot or Balsa. Drill again but use a hole saw to just remove the glass. Then you will be able to get a good look at the core. Drill in a few spots to check for water too. |
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Thanks guys! hopefully they are screws!
does anyone know anything about the baltek? are the stringers baltek? or just the hull? |
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Yes, lets hope there are screws!
Beware every meat head friend that visits your shop will want to walk over and lift up the deck before asking for authorization, to see how heavy it is So if you have it supported under the bow and they lift the stern, they try to rip the bow off the deck as you hear the glass cracking then then slam it down and say whoops ask me how I know... |
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Not sure how Hydrodyne construction is but the rubrail looks similar to American Skier. Under rubrail elastomer is about 100 screws holding the rubrail to the deck as well as the deck to the hull.
Follow Gottaski recommendation if Hydrodyne used rivets as he states instead of screws. Once all rivets or screws are out the deck is probably a shoebox fit over the edge of the hull. May need to run a utility knife under the seam if there is a sealant used to seal it. Once that's done the deck just lifts off pretty easy. Just make sure to disconnect all wiring, steering cables, throttle/shift cables, gas tank, vent hose, speakers, etc. before you can remove the deck. You should be able to set it on a few sawhorses. I had mine sitting that way in my garage for months without an issue. Removing the deck is definitely the right way to do it in my opinion. Thats how I did mine. Remove one stringer at a time and replace it before moving to the next one. The hull will be pretty flimsy after you remove the deck. If you remove all stringers you definitely have to do some bracing beforehand. Throughbolting the cradle is how American Skier does it too. Its much better than lag bolting IMHO. Do it the same way. |
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Pull out the rub rail elastomer while the sun is still on it
after that, when ready get drilling! first the rail, then the rivets underneath If working outside, a plastic masonry tub by your feet is good to keep the shavings in control and not make a 100 yr hazard for bare feet |
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I tried to find Andy's (Okie Boarder's) original thread on how he had to split his Supra to do his stringer job but couldnt find it. I did find this reference to it though that has a couple pictures. Not sure how different the Supra with inside walls throughout is different than your open bow, but if he could get this split, I'm sure you can get yours. Good luck with it. Keep us posted.
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So i think this winter i have to replace the stringers in my 94 hydrodyne grandsport. i have a garage to do it in with the ability to use a lift the stringers are soft, if you tap them, i also drilled into them, and it was mush. it took a few seconds to drill through the fiberglass, then i pretty much fell though the wood. i want to start a thread to get me going, and because i will have a bunch of questions over the winter.
i am nervous to take on such a big project but confident you guys will get me through this. one big challenge is that it is open bow. so i think im going to have to take off the top deck. i have done a bit of research here on the process but i will still have some questions. one question i have is i have found that the hull is apparently super strong. the hull is baltek so i guess i can drive a loader over it and it wont break, hopefully this means i wont have to worry too much about supporting the hull other than the trailer with the top deck off. (i still will be adding supports to the 4 corners) what do you guys think this baltek means? are the stringers also baltek? also the engine cradle is through bolted, should i though bolt it as well? or lag it like most of you have done? |
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