Ice Out - Open Water 2012 |
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quinner
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Posted: March-13-2012 at 3:44am |
Update: No Buoy to be found, not sure if the line was too short or the buoy came loose?? Spent some time rowing around where everything sank, it's about 35' deep on average and we couldn't see anything. Looking like he will need to get some divers down there to find his stuff.
Chris, nice work on gettin wet, the only thing I am getting in the water for this time of year is to install the docks and lifts, lol |
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ononewheel
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fanofccfan
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Earliest ski run on the lake Chris!!! Way to go. Hope the dry suit sealed.
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storm34
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Ha, they're in Picture Pat's camera...we'll see if he ever decides to post them. Getting pictures from his is like stealing gold from fort knox.
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skutsch
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Pictures or it didn't happen... (to quote Hollywood)
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storm34
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Spring 2012 has sprung here in IA. First boat on the lake and set the 'record' for earliest ski run in lake's history. I'm more than honored to hold the title...
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MI-nick
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easy way to get it out...you need a 16' (or bigger) fishing boat, 2 4X4X8' beams, 4 rachet tie down straps, 4 eye screws some extra rope, 1 diver, 1 (maybe 2) cases of beer.
position the boat above the lift. lay the 4 X 4's across the gunnels of the boat, 1 fore and one aft each with a screw eye in each end. hang one rachet strap from each screw eye (at max extension) with extra rope tied to each strap. have the diver tie the ends of each rope to each of the 4 corners of the lift. rachet up the straps until the lift is off the bottom and head for shore. probably you'll have to re-tie the ropes as you get shallower, but this should work. i've done it before...of course the lift was only in about 5' of water, but the principal is the same and a lot less drama than tubes. |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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TRBenj
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You mean awake? Ha. First boat ride of the year, and first swim of the year... even Tique can get excited for that! |
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jbear
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agreed...only one use for ice...mix with Beam and Diet Coke.
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bkhallpass
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How did you get that dog to stay away long enought for the pic?
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TRBenj
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Pretty sure its the stuff that goes in a Beam and Coke to keep it cool... at least thats what JBear told me! We're not quite to ice-out yet in CT... our lake seems to be the last one in the area still hanging on. Shouldnt be long though- I went for the first boat ride of the year yesterday (remaining ice shown in the 2nd pic). With the mild winter we had, we're almost a month ahead of schedule. Ice out is usually first week of April, give or take a week. |
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bkhallpass
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What is this thing called ice?
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lewy2001
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I am with Joe on this sounds like a lot of fun. This project also has the makings of a great CCfan reunion. Pete in his monogrammed business shirt directing Chris with technical drawings on top of beer esky and Hollywood who has the dive suit on. Come on guys get it all on video. Hollywood loves cold water.
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scottb
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Try the local dive shop. Maybe they know someone who would do it for free or cheap. If nothing else, maybe you can rent some lift bags from them that your local guy can use.
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8122pbrainard
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Joe,
We do have some great "pros" in the midwest. I'm sorry to hear you only have "hackers" in your area that can only remove sectional piers! Sorry about the size of this picture but it shows the prep before they moved Charlie's boat house for the new piling work. |
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BuffaloBFN
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Good point Tim; some day I'll get there. I was thinking that we have those 'hacks' Joe mentioned...boy have they gotten some practice the last 3 years. |
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Morfoot
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allot of boats have been repaired on this site by non professionals and guys and gals who know nothing about restoring a boat but took initiative and the unknown and went with it with fantastic results.
Quinner just might become Chicago's Dock Salvage Extraordinaire |
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JoeinNY
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Come on pete, where the heck is the fun in that. It also depends on how professional the "pros" are. It is alot more gentle a procedure to float up a hoist than to lift it from the wrong point with a crane. We dont do a lot of pier installations up this way because the ice would destroy anything not made out of massive amounts of concrete and steel so our professionals are generally hacks who move portable docks and hoists for a living but that is about it. the one that I recovered (albiet from shallower water) was there because the "pros" came off of plane for the delivery and found that the the front of thier pontoons were now under water (apparently they had been leaking while running down the lake) and cut loose the hoist to save the barge. If we let the professionals do everything it takes all the fun out of youtube. |
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OverMyHead
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Leave the professionals out. It sounds like a good beer driven man challenge. Once in a while it is fun to re-invent the wheel.
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MattB
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Ah Pete...I was really looking forward to the pictures maybe even a movie |
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8122pbrainard
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Instead of trying to "screw around" with "home made" solutions (tubes) it's really best to get the pro's involved - the diver and the dock installer with the barge mounted hoist/crane.
Chris, I'm getting a feeling this neighbor of your's is tight on his wallet!! I think he's going to have to break it open on this project! |
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MattB
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Its going to be a long slow process trying to work down there as its going to be very very cold! 40F if you are lucky (guess though)
If you can rig up a series of tubes on ropes to each corner to float it up a few feet at a time and `walk/pull` it into shallow water you would spend less time down at depth and have less risk of launching the lift into orbit with the tubes expanding and floating up to the surface at speed! Pictures are needed though |
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skutsch
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Joe, that's a great point, if I remember my dive tables 30 feet is 2 ATM, so when you get to the surface (1 ATM) your volume doubles. Innertube with double the volume, thats a gonna blow!
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JoeinNY
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Tubes and a compressor will do it, but if you are really30 ft deep the tubes may very well pop on the way up if you fill them the whole way up down there so be careful of pressure changes, i used 4 tubes to get up a steel hoist in about 16 feet before- tie em on and fill slowly and evenly and just enough to raise it.
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sethro
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I use 2 old tractor tire inner tubes to remove and install our 3 lifts every year. They float the lifts with no problems. However, it is hard enough to get the deflated tube into place under a cross member while standing in chest deep water. I can't imagine dragging them down in 30 feet of water as they are somewhat bouyant even with little to no air in them.
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skutsch
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Pete - I have seen guys struggle with Snowmobiles, I can't imagine trucks...
CQ - Go with the diver, much better option. We tried to float just one side of our AL lift. Four truck tubes wouldn't lift it and we were in 6 feet of water, 30 feet is a whole different animal for sure. |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve, I witnessed a 3/4 ton pick up loaded with propane tanks (the guy had the local propane business) go through the ice. Thankfully he and his 2 kids in the truck got out through the windows before it went down completely. Anyway, the DNR (Wisconsin) was out there immediately and told him he had 7 days to get it out or there would be a $1000 fine per day. So, this person got a bunch of his logging friends together as well as a couple cases of beer to get the pickup out. (I hate to stereotype but this was "first class red neck northern Wisconsin" type! ) Ok, they tried to make an A frame to pull the truck up but the ice in the area was so "punky" it kept on going through the ice as well. What they ended up doing was to cut a slit in the ice all the way to shore and then pulling the pickup out with a cable and a log skidder!!! Well, by the time they got it out, you could not even recognize the pickup as even a vehicle! At least he avoided the 1K per day fine!!! |
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quinner
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Maybe visible Steve but that really depends on how deep it is, our lake is almost 60' at it's deepest point, water quality clarity is very good but could be a little diminished with the recent run off from the thaw. Typical lift is at about 8' square, so that could help also.
Diver is really not a problem, there is a guy who really likes to dive our lake for artifacts from back in the days they harvested the ice here, heck he would probably do it just for the thrill of it. As another option perhaps we could finally find a productive use for a tube, tie a tube to each corner from its tow point and inflate, wonder if that would bring the lift up?? |
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Jllogan
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that anchor trick could cause some more damage though, broken windshield etc.
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skutsch
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CQ - Do you think you will be able to see that deep? If so, maybe drop and anchor with a chain back to shore. Use a car to pull it and slide it along the bottom. Anything better then having to send a diver down...
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