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79nautique
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horkn
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Chris, do PM's actually work for you on CCF? Sending an email through CCF does work, but the PM section does not operate for me, or for many other people on CCF.
I sure hope this is something simple, and if it is, why the hell can't the dealer fix it? It's unnerving to hear that they will change plugs batteries and carbs on a whim. Sure, they love to do that, it makes them money. |
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79nautique
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That and he states he can drive out of it with a little throttle too
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eric lavine
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I personally dont think its a trans issue,
it would be nice to have a live feed......lol, decription is key, but he does mention resistance and honestly there is more resistance in the trans when going into reverse. in forward everything is locked and only 2 bearings spinning....you have to take into account thrust, in and out, its possible that a needle bearing from thrust forward is creating the resistance. get 79 down there and let him take a peak. if i was a betting man, its something simple |
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79nautique
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well hopefully he calls pretty soon, I can't get to my yahoo account here at work and usually the CCFan mail goes into the spam folder and I can not get to the folder using my cell phone only the inbox and I haven't seen anything.
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C-Bass
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The no load in the driveway may actually help you narrow it down to engine tuning vs. transmission issue. If it's still stalling out of the water with no load when you shift into Fwd., then it may be time to ship the trans to Ohio.
Either way, good luck, and good on ya for personally going and trying to save his trip to Dale Hollow. |
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79nautique
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My feeling is that the cable and carb are out of adjustment a little and I'm going to start there and then move forward, only downside, working in the driveway and no load, Hopefully Eagle creek or another close by pond has a ramp to back the trailer down so we can load the tranny and verify it's working. |
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C-Bass
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Pete,
Pending any engine tuning issues that might cause this, you sure seem like you're on the right track with the trans. issue causing this. Are there any pressure taps on that transmission that you could throw a gauge on so you could verify that no pressure is getting to the reverse clutch feed? |
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79nautique
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your PM might have went into my spam directory and I can not view them on my cell phone or at work so call me at 765-425-5744
chris p.s. I leave work at 3:00 so i need to hear from you before that. |
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79nautique
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Bud select, Bud or Coors
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cool hand
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Spoke with Mark at N3. He was apologetic for the poor communication and the dirty boat. He did feel that his 109/hr labor rate was acceptible and the fact that he charged me 3 hours that resulted in nothing more than replacing a battery that they killed, and replacing a set of plugs that I didn't need was appropriate.
I'm sure I'm somehow atleast partially to blame, but I've been a ski nautique nut (grew up on lake james in angola), my entire life and I'm just beside myself with this situation. Thanks everyone for the input. |
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Lucas Clark
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cool hand
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What is time good for you? Do you prefer 24oz beers or do i need to go to the store and find a different size. I promise whatever size and brand they will be cold. I'll PM you my number. |
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Lucas Clark
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GottaSki
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What a maroon, they all clank when they are about to stall. What would he do next, tear apart the engine?
The other carb likely came off some other guys' boat who also wanted it for the weekend. stay clear. |
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rogier
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Incredible, not acceptable and I would expect them to refund. Making our shared problem clear for Eric I would like to share the following:
From neutral to reverse is very smooth. You don't hear anything, revs remain the same and the boat starts backing up slowly. From neutral to forward the RPM drop below neutral RPM. If you leave it at in FWD the engine is struggling at +- 550 RPM and it almost stalls and eventually it does. You have to add some throttle for a two seconds and after that it will run at idle RPM with the throttle in the position it was when almost dying at 550RPM coming from neutral. Once I've been stuck in mud with a 2007 Air and the experience was exactly the same, something appears to be generating resistance. In neutral I can turn the shaft by hand easily and the engine runs great. Does this sound the same for your FWD-idle-problem? |
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C-Bass
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Lucas...first off, this sucks, and sorry to hear about it.
2nd off...This is the 2nd time that Chris(79) has offered to personally take time out of his day to help you out...I'm thinking you might want to take him up on his offer. And his rate seems pretty reasonable. |
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79nautique
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WOW sorry to hear, if you have some tools at the house and have an hour this afternoon, I could swing past I'm just over here by the airport. If I can't fix it I'm sure I can narrow down the problem so you know exactly whats wrong and needs replaced, It'll Cost you a beer afterwards though, I know it's a steep price but that's my going rate and I'm not changing it
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cool hand
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Ok, so big thumbs down for N3 at this point.
So I authorized them to put a new carb on it if thats what they thought they needed to do. They're the experts, or so I thought. Call them at 430 (because they close at 5 and had heard nothing) and they say they're out water testing it, come on over it'll be ready when you get here. So I get there, talk to the tech, he says he couldn't get it to run at all with a brand new carb, so he cleaned up the old one and put it back on and took it out and tweeked it as best he could. He put new plugs in it, a new belt and a new battery because somehow my perfectly functioning battery went bad in their possesion. He then proceeds to tell me that he's not completely sure its fixed because today (3 weeks after the initial drop off) that it sounded like there was a bearing noise when it was trying to die, but it should aleast run as good as when I brought it in. So at this point its 6pm, I need the boat back because I'm leaving TODAY and I agree to buying a battery a belt and plugs. In turn I get a bill for 560 bucks. I was so mad that point I just paid it, walked out the door and went home. On the way home I started thinking about this. They sold me a bunch of stuff I didnt neeed when I went in there, I'm now out 560 bucks (dry dock retracted their initial offer to help) my boats not any better than it was....and to top it all off, when i got home and looked at the boat it was compltely covered in black greasy hand prints and looks like hell. I'm 100% unhappy with N3 as at this point they've hosed me for 560 bucks and done nothing but keep me from having my boat until the last possible minute before my trip. I dealt with Luke and Tim at N3. I told them when I took it in that it wasn't a carb issue, but they spent all they're time trying to fix a problem that was not there. They tried to sell me a carb, but couldn't even get it to run on that carb, and to top it off they trashed my boat and killed my battery. Did Dry Dock pimp me sending me there? I'm just absolutely beside myself right now as I'm ready to leave for a trip and the Correct Craft stealership has not fixed my boat, trashed it and charged me 560 bucks for my inconvinience. I left Luke a message lastnight telling him exactly how I felt, but I'm sure I'll hear nothing back because he has never once called me in this entire process. |
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Lucas Clark
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eric lavine
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no not really, its pretty vague, the drescription, it stalls,
lets wait and see what they say, id hate to lead him in the wrong direction |
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8122pbrainard
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Lucas,
I'm sorry to hear about the issue. Did you opt for a new carb or are they going to rebuild the old? I'm still curious about a earlier question to Eric:
Maybe he'll pick up on it and comment. |
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cool hand
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Ok, so I call N3 this morning because I've leaving for dale hollow saturday morning (keep in mind I originally took it in on July 9th) and leave a message. They call me back to tell me that now the boat does not even run, and I either need to rebuild the carb or put a new one on. I'm a bit bewildered that they have the boat for 2 weeks and now (the day before I load up for a week on a house boat) its completely unusable and the only options they give me are to pay them to get the boat back running. After calming down and taking a walk I realize they've put me over a barrel and I have to pay them to do the work or not have my boat as they've left me no time to think this through or explore other options. They said they'd have it ready today, so i guess we'll see what happens. I just hope they get it fixed and it doesnt ruin our vacation.
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Lucas Clark
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cool hand
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Issue is not resolved. Boat is back at N3.
PCM 40 transmisssion N3 just bumped the idle when it was in there friday. Debatable if it resolved anything. I'll update as I know more. |
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Lucas Clark
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rogier
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Having exactly the same problem on my 1992 sport nautique! I just put the idle very high to get rid of it. My engine is perfectly tuned by the way, also no problems restarting, since it runs on propane. Always very smooth and almost starts before you touch the ignition key.
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8122pbrainard
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Lucas,
It will be interesting to see if they find more issues! Eric, I still don't understand why it stalled in forward and not reverse! Did the gear reduction in reverse give the engine a mechanical torque advantage and in forward the low idle was just enough to kick it "over the edge" and kill the engine? |
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cool hand
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I'll have to look into the transmission as I do not know what it is.
N3 had it for a couple hours this morning. Said the idle was set to low and the mixture screws on one side of the carb were way off. That seems like an awefully easy fix, but I guess we'll find out if i get time this weekend. So far high praise for N3 and Dry Dock. Far better than some of the others I've used. |
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Lucas Clark
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eric lavine
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also, What trans? PCM 40 or 40a?
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eric lavine
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I just picked up on this one, lets see what they say over at n3, good guys btw
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8122pbrainard
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Lucas,
I'm glad to hear that you're being taken care of. N3 will find the problem. Don't forget to keep us informed on what they find. I'm surprised that Eric hasn't picked up on this thread yet. Usually he's on site by now!! |
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8122pbrainard
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Bump to Eric.
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cool hand
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Well it looks like Dry Dock is stepping up. They've told me to take it over to N3Boatworks and they'll bill dry dock. So far and very happy with Dry Dock Marina in Angola, Indiana. I'm anxious to hear what the pro's have to say. We sure love this boat so far.
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Lucas Clark
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akabulla
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Do you have a cut off safety switch up by the throttle on that boat? Maybe there is a short in it that is trigger when you push forward on the throttle. I know it is a long shot, just trying to throw ideas out there!
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