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    Posted: June-16-2007 at 10:54am
Doc,

Sorry I'm late to the party... That boat looks fantastic! Sorry to hear about the paint problems hope it isn't too much more work to fix. sure looks great anyway. Engine looks bad ass!
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doc sounds like your having just as good of luck with your boat as I am having with the BFN. I will give you a call tomorrow.
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Sorry doc, i didnt read about the paint problems, are you getting solvent pop?
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Doc, Sorry to here about your paint problems. I think I remember you using Easypoxy. Correct? I sprayed the stuff for years and love it. One thing I have learned the hard way is that it must be sprayed in multiple coats with a min. dry time of 24 hours between. It doesn't have as much hiding qualities as other paint types. Interlux Brightside one part poly is the same. You may now have solvent entrapment in the paint. Any ideas from Petit yet? You may need to wet sand the top layer off, let it cure some more and shoot it again. How many coats did you spray?


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Larry: Gotta agree with ya again.....one of the great things about this site is seeing what the other guy is doing to his ride.

And the BlondieGurl pics too. Thanks to MM for sharing.

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Boat doc, i was looking for something to break the greenhorn in on (fresh out of tech school) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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77,thanx for the atta boy, found out today I have major paint problems. Seems the white has reached a stage somewhere between medium hard and has not cured any harder. tried to buff and it was a f////ing mess......waiting on a call from Petit Paint to tell me what step B is..............boat dr
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hey Doc,

id say the final outcome of the Doc vs. 64 was a draw - you both came out as big winners.

boat is simply beautiful -

congrats on a terrific job
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

I dont plan on doing any exhaust work this year.



You're kidding Tim, you actually said that before launching into your dual exhaust masterpiece. I didn't post a comment on your "pipes" thread, but it is very impressive work.

You guys are really knocking yourselves out this year with projects like that and boat docs restoration, jbears mods and Marks limey paint job which are also hugely impressive. I can't help but think this site helps to motivate those kinds of projects. Not in a one upmanship sense, but in a getting help and ideas from others and building off of those. I think there are probably a fair number of projects getting tackled that might not be, were it not for the info shared here. Another kudos to Keith and his site and all the folks that all contribute in their own way.
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I should have put a caveat on that, I still have a new jetski motor to install and a lift kit, tires, and softtop for the bronco, so really I meant improvements for the correct crafts this year...
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

I swear after green lake I am not spending one more minute/dollar on "improvements" this year.


If youre anything like me, those are famous last words.

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

I dont plan on doing any exhaust work this year.
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Yeah just got one of them there ARCO's myself, your bugs are way ahead of mine I just finally got my engine in line at the dyno, still have to get it back and then remember all the little things that I have to buy to convert the boat back to a 351/408 from a 302. I swear after green lake I am not spending one more minute/dollar on "improvements" this year.
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Joe, that was a crazy idea ,but it works,sent my xtra V/Drive to Eric today. Ater the water soak Saturday,made good sense to replace the 30 year old tranny with a new updated 04 style. Eric says it is stronger than my old 01 style, will replace dampner also.
30 year old starter gets a rest too,Arco still builds a new one,94.00 dollars is cheap ins.
It's still cheaper than a divorce...
Will try the 450 VS 600 and try to find a happy middle ground.The stumble is off idle when going WFO to get that parasail up,the nozzle is for the 450, not the 600. It is strong at full throttle from dead idle, just not as strong thru midrange, but a little higher top end and RPM's.
Just more bugs to iron out before G/Lake.............boat dr
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MY BFN has a 650 on it and it is running a big block. The 750 came on the HO 454 producing 425HP.
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I dont know, Joe- 408 is a lot of cubes. A 750 may be a little more than you need, but I wouldnt say its overkill. According to the CFM calculator's Ive used, a 351w designed to spin up to 4400 could have gotten by with a 450cfm carb (even at 100% VE). PCM put the larger one on for a reason.

Can anyone verify what size Holley PCM put on the big blocks? I believe they were 4160's as well. Ive heard both 650 and 750, but not sure what is correct.

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Glad to hear your temp situation is under control, not to happy to hear that your stumbling with the 600 cfm unit particularily when I have them dyno tuning my 408 with a 750 on it. I keep going back and forth between the 600 and the 750... will probably keep the 750 on till green lake and change it when I get back. I think in the end I will end up with a 600 with the choke horn milled off. You might want to try the 450 with the choke horn milled off eventually to get back your last couple hundred top end rpm.

Seems like I spend 400 bucks everytime I go out, this weekend blew all 4 speakers with the new stereo, 400 bucks, yesterday put in 4 new speakers ran battery dead in about 10 minutes, jumped battery and destroyed alternator trying to bring the battery back up, another 400 today for a new optima and alternator. 400 tomorrow for dyno testing on the new motor...
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Originally posted by boat dr boat dr wrote:

Second day out,new Holley 600,34 max.spark adv. 5100 max rpms.Not keen with the 400.00 spent on the Holley.
Seem to have lost some bottom end to gain a few R's on top.Ordered parts that Holley said would bridge the gap,between the 450 and the 600 cfm.
Seems the stroker falls right between the two as one is a little small one a little large.
It's only money,what the hell..........Holley says the stumble at WOT from dead idle is the #21 nozzle too small,ordered a set of #28.From there a plug chop and start playing with the jets,,,,,,
Have a brand new 4160 Holley for sale....any takers...........boat dr


Does that mean youre going back to the 450cfm, doc? I would have thought that the 600cfm would have been perfect for a 331 stroker.
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Just another ditto on the fine job Doc! Damn nice!
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Second day out,new Holley 600,34 max.spark adv. 5100 max rpms.Not keen with the 400.00 spent on the Holley.
Seem to have lost some bottom end to gain a few R's on top.Ordered parts that Holley said would bridge the gap,between the 450 and the 600 cfm.
Seems the stroker falls right between the two as one is a little small one a little large.
It's only money,what the hell..........Holley says the stumble at WOT from dead idle is the #21 nozzle too small,ordered a set of #28.From there a plug chop and start playing with the jets,,,,,,
Have a brand new 4160 Holley for sale....any takers...........boat dr
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87,boat ran fine....Temp held at 140, guess the little trick worked. Joe said it well" that sounds just crazy enough to work"
Started off with 30 degrees of advance and mid range fuel.drove around a little while , warmed her on up to temp and mashed on it.Not quite as strong out the hole,bot pulled 5100 swinging thet 13x14 Austrel.
Will start adding some more timing each time i go out.Will buy a new set of plugs to do the soot ring......
overall very satisfied,the Hi Teks are louder,more than one person on the lake commented that she louder and sounded stronger.........boat dr
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Doc trailer queens don't burn fuel...

12 gallons, shouldn't take long to go through. Hope all goes well and you two have a good time.
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Boat dr & Boat nurse going to the lake....ice chest packed been a long coming.We will see if all the work and money are worth it today.
the boat is hooked up full of fuel,lets see how long it takes to burn 12 gals....................boat dr
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Eric, We all need to be educated more on our transmissions!!


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Damn!!!! That's nice boatdr!!!

Looks like brand new......Can't wait to see it at Green lake!! Let's get all of us early 60's guys together and take a photo like mojo said.

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MM, im tossing it around about coming up, I would be boatless but i sure would like to meet alot of you guys, I think it would be a 7 or 8 hour trip from here which isnt bad at all, I made a pact this year that im going to take more time off and start relaxing a little and a road trip would be a good idea
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Boat looks great doc. Got the brackets today. I'll finish the honey-do's up, wrap up my novel, and then they are going on my Mustang 17. Thanks for hooking me up!
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Outstanding resto-mod, Doc.

Nicely done but not overdone in my opinion.
I like the moderm motor bits with an original-ish looking exterior.

I'm still interested in the 450 CFM carb. Did you get my email a few weeks back?
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Doc was good chatting with you this morning, hope the water test goes as planned.
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