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75 Tique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-12-2004 Location: Seven Lakes, NC Status: Offline Points: 6080 |
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How about this, the first/original CCF video (tho more a collection of stills vs a video) from 2007. Yup, changed a lot through the years. I think I've given this speech before, but to recap. One, you gotta figure, its coming up on 20 years. That's a pretty good run, things are bound to change. I really miss "the gang" and the chatter, banter and ribbing from yesteryear. Very disappointed in the shift to Facebook. I cant stand FB. I dont like their outward political involvement (tho quite honestly, I guess it doesnt hurt me at all, so I suppose I shouldnt care, just the principle of it, I guess) I cant stand the fact that 3/4s of my page is either "sponsored" posts, or "suggested for you" crap that I have no interest in, only serves as click bait to keep you there longer. Its nothing but an advertising machine. It is ruined. Same management didnt ruin Instagram like that (tho I dont do instagram) Not sure why they had to ruin FB, but anyway. But, despite all that, I still go there, as that is where the discussions on Nautiques, Classic CCs, vintage boats, skiing (waterski hub and Hows my spray) barefooting (Barefoot Buds) vintage skiing and ski photos and on and on, are, and I enjoy looking at those. What drives me nuts, is the misinformation over there, especially regarding old CCs. So much knowledge that is so completely wrong. I feel bad for people asking the questions because they get so much bad information. I used to constantly tell people over there with questions to come over here, but I got out of that habit as I tend not to participate a much. Sadly, I used to come here all the time to verify my statements, using the diaries or brochures, but since they are gone,those not much of a resource any more. Hard to believe all that stuff wasnt backed up somewhere, especially the brochures, but oh well. I certainly understand the photo challenges lowering the appeal of the site. As far as Hollywood's comment about group texting, well that's fine, I suppose if you happen to be one of the six people in the group text, but there are a lot of us out here that are still interested in hearing about the Buckethead, or seeing videos of skiing or footing, or hearing about the activities of ski clubs or teams or seeing new purchases or seeing progress on projects, all of which is pretty limited now. I do appreciate what has survived the test of time. Some new members, old members offering good advice and fixes, references over on FB to come over here for the right answer, so I guess we should be grateful for that. |
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fanofccfan ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-13-2009 Location: North Bend NE Status: Offline Points: 1686 |
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Most of us have no idea what all is involved in running this site so I am asking out of ignorance......why is so difficult to post media within a reply box? Space? Memory?
I visit everyday and have for years and certainly hope it continues. The knowledge value alone is worth a ton and the camaraderie is priceless! Lets all hope it keeps rolling.
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2004 196 LE Ski 1969 Marauder 19 1978 Ski
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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Well, here I am sitting in the back of the room with the elephant and he says that it seems like there are a good number of people who really like the website, visit daily or pretty frequently and probably a whole big bunch who just pop on for some free, usually good advice, then disappear till the next problem. Then there are all those lurkers that just search for information , find what they're looking for and disappear
Like fanofccfan ,me and the elephant know nothing about what's involved in running the site, but I do wonder how much commitment, dedication, effort (and whatever other words you want to throw in here) Keith gives to the site these days in what's probably a busy life with plenty of other stuff going on ? is it out of the goodness of his heart.? Now before anybody gets all hot and bothered and says I'm picking on Keith or CCF, let's just sat it's an effort to keep our favorite "best little niche website" healthy and profitable for he who runs it.. I'm sure I'm not the only one with the same thoughts, just the only one maybe dumb enough to actually ask the question we may or may not want to hear the answer to ![]() I suppose only one person knows the answer
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67 ski nat ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-19-2018 Location: Santa rosa Status: Offline Points: 1107 |
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Keno. Are you interested in helping kieth ‘management ’ the technical aspects of a website to perform better (pics, security etc)
Or take over completely |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13500 |
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Not neither. Sounds like they’re just wondering what it would take to make some improvements.
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67 ski nat ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-19-2018 Location: Santa rosa Status: Offline Points: 1107 |
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Good to know
I’m on a vintage car forum too, unbelievable easy to load a pic Keno been trying to show us how using Imgur, loading pic really only problem I have Maybe Keith could use expert or maybe it’s really expensive $ It’s hard to do much about participation |
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cboland ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-15-2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 185 |
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I’ll throw my $0.02 in here as a very longtime lurker. No doubt, this site has been invaluable to me over the years in troubleshooting and keeping my boats running. I feel a bit of guilt for not more actively contributing to making it the community it is.
Regarding the elephant, no doubt demographics and lack of in-person interaction has hurt online participation, but from an everyday experience standpoint, I have to believe a big issue we’re having is the underlying site/forum platform. Like everything, technology has evolved as has the way in which we use it. This site is still built on a platform designed for when we did all of this on desktop computers. The overwhelming majority of use these days is on mobile devices. I believe the reason much of our traffic has moved to Facebook and others is because the user interface of those platforms makes it so easy to comment, post pictures, etc. I know there have been many instances where I wanted to chime in on something here, but knowing the 10 minute battle it was going to take to get logged in and get the post made discouraged me from doing do. This is no criticism of Keith as I can only imagine the cost to upgrade all of this is very high in money, time, expertise, etc. I’m just afraid the way in which we all interact, use our devices, etc. has evolved beyond what the current CCFan infrastructure offers. There is a direct correlation between use/participation and ease of use/usability.
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67 ski nat ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-19-2018 Location: Santa rosa Status: Offline Points: 1107 |
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Well said sir. Exactly
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Donald80SN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: January-12-2009 Location: Denver, NC Status: Offline Points: 3859 |
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Bud, you nailed it.
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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Lou-Pa ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November-16-2019 Location: Wilmington, NC Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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Like Hollywood said, just trying to see what it takes for improvement ( and take care of the picture posting issue that he said would be fixed over a month ago) and now there is input from from multiple people and Keith can do whatever he wants with that input. It's his website.
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67 ski nat ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-19-2018 Location: Santa rosa Status: Offline Points: 1107 |
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Well. I’m clueless about how mechanics of a website work
So Keith is doing better than myself and provided decades of solid entertainment and camaraderie |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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The elephant is still in the room, still wondering
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75 Tique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-12-2004 Location: Seven Lakes, NC Status: Offline Points: 6080 |
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Ken, you must really be wondering about it if its your first thought at 5:30 in the morning. What are you wondering about? Are you wondering why overnight all the old guard guys are suddenly not back helping, sharing stories, posting pictures, ribbing other members? Or are you wondering why the forum has not overnight been updated so we can post pictures from our phones? It's kind of like leaving a party and saying "Gee, that was kind of a dull party" Whose fault is that, the deadbeat dullards there who dont know how to have a good time, or the host because the music or food wasnt to their liking? You politely but pointedly accused Keith of not keeping the site up, and you mused is he doing it out of the goodness of his heart. I'd say that is probably pretty close. He's not doing it for the money, certainly. It's been almost 20 years. I think his priorities and interests have changed. He's got two teen kids and a wife and a job keeping him busy. He's following his kid's multiple interests and actvities, he's into fishing, snow skiing, winter mountain biking, hiking, family activities. I cant tell you how many years its been since I saw a boat/skiing related post on his FB page, so yeah, I'd say he is doing it out of the goodness of his heart. He owes us nothing. He could easily pull the plug and leave us with nothing, probably be a lot easier for him. But at least he puts in the effort to keep it up, which perhaps we shoould be grateful for.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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Well a good place to start is by reviewing the thread in the link Larry
link Back on Dec 11th, people started getting the error below, it's got to do with using the site photo loading process, nothing to do with using a phone to post pictures, just doing it with the sites software. Persits.Upload.1 error '800a0005' The system cannot find the file specified.T /forum/functions/functions_upload.asp, line 171 The problem happened, he posted that he purchased additional space and it would be fixed within a few hours. it happened in 2020 and 2021 near the end of the year also and was fixed pretty quickly both times. This time it's not fixed yet. As far as site friendliness with phones, FB affects on the site and websites in general. reminiscing about the past. people coming and going, that came from other people. It was a simple question So maybe to sum it up, wondering why it's been well over a month and photo posting isn't back to the way it was.(no improvements, just back to what it was) So it seems like maybe we agree............maybe he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart, but letting photo posting degrade from what it was, he isn't doing himself any favors at all PS.............I had a bunch of other thoughts before 5:30, none of which had to do with CCF |
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75 Tique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-12-2004 Location: Seven Lakes, NC Status: Offline Points: 6080 |
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Agreed Ken. Not saying its not unfortunate, but its also unfortunate when I plan on going skiing in the morning and wake up to gale force winds or torrential rains. Its out of my control.
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MourningWood ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2014 Location: NorCal Status: Offline Points: 856 |
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Yes, but unlike Mother Nature, this site issue may be under someone's control.
I think the summation of this thread is: "Why is it such a challenge to post images (desktop or phone) and what, if anything, can be done about it?" |
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1994 Ski Nautique "Riot"
1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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Well, I guess it's time to say something like "Holy crap, I just posted the picture in the above post from my phone using IMGBB".................and it wasn't hard and I didn't have to ask a little kid or anybody else for any help
![]() The hard part would be putting into words what I did, but it was straightforward and not hard to do.. The biggest thing to get out of this is that if I can do it.............well most anybody should be able to do it with a little bit of practice. The other pictures a few days ago were on a laptop using IMGBB. Now somebody else who knows how to do this from a phone needs to come along and explain in plain easy to understand English, how to do it. And..............never again let it be said that posting pictures from a phone is almost impossible on CCF since a relative "phone dummy" just did it. You don't use any of the CCF photo posting software, the picture is pasted from in my case, IMGBB. I seem to think gun_driver mentioned IMGBB a while back Edit...............A little digging says that he learned it from Old School Blue 84 back in 2018 Click on link below for that thread PS That connecting rod is just an optical illusion
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northcoastidol ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March-28-2013 Location: Garfield Hts Oh Status: Offline Points: 100 |
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I totally agree with Larry on this. If it wasn't for this site and family and friends. I wouldn't have meet so many great people with similar interests on this site and have made many great friendships? not sure if they they all agree with that? if you now me and my family. I will always log in to this site as long as its up and running.
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Always be ready for a run, the water does not wait for you!
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fanofccfan ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-13-2009 Location: North Bend NE Status: Offline Points: 1686 |
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Keno-I think it’s up to you to put it in laymen’s terms. We’re counting on you!
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14049 |
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"I wouldn't have meet so many great people with similar interests on this site and have made many great friendships"
I think Scott is closer to the truth with this statement. Many contact each other and hang out together bypassing the site or so I suspect. Also wonder if some are involved with different brands and types of boats. Covid,hurricanes and moving due to the witness protection program has really changed my life so what do I know.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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![]() Today's phone practice
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 10396 |
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Well, after being successful again today, there might be a slim chance of me maybe posting some simple minded instructions that might work for someone else. ![]() I'm sure somebody else could do better.
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MrMcD ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-28-2014 Location: Folsom, CA Status: Offline Points: 3470 |
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Nice picture of the bent rod Ken, classic hydro lock issue? I don’t even try to post pics anymore unless really important.
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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Common, Mark. That con-rod will buff out. Ken's fixed worse...
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2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow (current)
1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow (sold) Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
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Fl Inboards ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2013 |
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ok!! Question of the day! I know why i do it but why did Ken cut the handle of his ratchet? Keno dont answer! yet! |
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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Less weight in the boat = smaller wake. Every ounce counts.
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Tom
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75 Tique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-12-2004 Location: Seven Lakes, NC Status: Offline Points: 6080 |
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The photo disappeared (I saw it yesterday, but gone today, at least for me - maybe Ken's imgbb method works but only for a day, then they fade away...tho the bent rod is still there) But anyway, cant see it to inspect, but I had a friend that had to chop one off for access to steering cable replacement. Maybe Ken ran into the same thing???
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Air206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-28-2008 Location: Roanoke, VA Status: Offline Points: 2994 |
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What picture?
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