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Hollywood
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Now we move on to Phase II, keeping it OUT of the dealership…
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Jonny Quest
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Roger that. For a few shekels more, I have a 100,000 mile / 5 year B-T-B warranty that covers everything. I hope I don’t need it. JQ
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Just a few key things to remember: Don't put DEF in the coolant overflow tank. Don't put washer fluid in the DEF tank. Don't put gasoline in the fuel tank.
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Jonny Quest
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NOW you tell me…better get the fluid extractor out. All joking aside, the Ford dealer told me about several incidents where new-to-diesel owners have put DEF into the diesel fuel tank. The “fix” for that little mistake can be over $15,000 as the DEF is corrosive. Ouch. JQ
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Gary S
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Getting tough to even get them out to begin with- http://www.startribune.com/ford-halts-deliveries-of-mustang-mach-e-upsetting-buyers-counting-on-2020-tax-break/600128953/
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63 Skier
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Yup, happens more than you'd expect. DEF is nasty stuff. On our commercial trucks we used to buy it in 55 gallon drums, but over time it would develop stringy black stuff that would clog up the tank and pump and we spent a lot on fixing emissions related problems. So we went back to buying DEF in plastic containers, I think they are 2 1/2 gallons each, to make sure we are always adding clean fresh DEF. The emissions stuff is 70% of the maintenance on the trucks.
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Gary S
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Although this article is about Australia- Better stock up- our Menards is already out of it as of last weekend. In the past they had pallets of it
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JD ski
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I have done a lot of research on the diesel fuel and the above study is the best information I have found. It is an older study but still to the point. There is one newer product on the market called Hot Shot with something 4 added that has better luberosity. If you have not read about Ford not covering the CP4 pump failures under warranty you need to do some research. But what it boils down to is the injector pump coming apart due to lack of lube in the fuel and or fuel filters and water separators being plugged and then starving the injector pump. Ford makes clams of one or the other but does not cover the damage. Opti-Lube is the brand I chose to run in my diesel powered vehicles.They have a variety of products for different weather and conditions and it is available through Wall Mart on line. They also offer different types of containers for measuring to meet the needs of their clients.
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desertskier
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I noticed our local HD was limiting the number of DEF containers to two per customer. Figured something was up.
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63 Skier
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JD, I used to spend some time on Diesel Place and remember that study well. I also had a diesel converted to run on UCO and lubricity was a major subject there, currently I run a 2007 LBZ Duramax. I add 16 oz. of 2 stroke oil and 8 oz. of power service to every fillup. My LBZ thankfully has a CP3 pump but I still like adding the oil for lubricity. I did the same on my several 6.5 diesels. If I owned a new diesel I'd maybe just add something like optilube that you recommend or nothing at all. The CP4 injection pump failure was both Ford and GM. At work we had a 2014 Duramax and when the CP4 came apart it caused a lot of damage, we had estimates of $10,000 to get it back on the road, chose to dump it instead in a cheap sale. |
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MrMcD
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Man, let JQ celebrate his new truck a while before offering the horror stories. For many years Diesel operators added a quart of Tranny fluid, ATF to the tank to add lubricants to diesel fuel, the pumps last longer and it cleans injectors well. NOT EPA Approved method for sure.
JQ I read a full test of that truck and they are amazing, you can float down the interstate at 85 MPH and not know your speed, uphill or flat they just motor along. You are correct about the power, it is just as fast in a 1/4 mile drag race as the best Muscle cars back in 1970, it could blow away a 1966 Corvette 327 4 speed with 4.11 gears in a drag race! A 427 might beat you but not by a lot. Funny but with that type speed Ford actually de tuned it for hard acceleration runs so the drivetrain would last longer, when you floor it you don't get full power except when the tranny is fully engaged in the next gear. Probably a good thing. You might have to add a rear wing on your boat trailer to add some downforce and keep your trailer on the ground while towing. Stay out of the races and enjoy your new toy! Merry Christmas Mark |
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JD ski
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Yes Merry Christmas, do enjoy, I want one myself. That is why I have done the research on how to avoid a large issue. Just sharing how to keep it at it's best for as long as possible.
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AlfaDon
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Congrats on the new truck. It’ll be fun. Calibrated Power makes great tunes for it when you’re ready.
I run the opti-lube as well. That is when I remember to add it to the fuel. Stanadyne makes a great product too. I added a new metering valve to my CP4 pump which has a finer screen to keep a pump failure from littering the rest of your fuel system when the CP4 explodes. I also went with a FASS aux fuel pump to take the load off of the CP4. |
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Jonny Quest
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I really do appreciate all the well-intentioned suggestions and feedback. I'm a firm believer in the value of a preventative approach, so I will perform my due-diligence and come up with a plan on risk mitigation. In the mean time, I'll be working on 0-60 times and lowering my E/T at the drag strip...
JQ
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I must be psychotic or psychedelic or psychic or something Or............maybe just curious
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fanofccfan
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Nice truck for sure! We have a 1999 f-250 diesel with 250000 on it and I still enjoy driving it because of the steady power it always provides. Nothing like your new rod but gets the job done. Enjoy your travels.
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81nautique
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I've run Hot Shots Diesel extreme, which for my mileage dosing is every 6 months but I also use Hot Shots Everyday Diesel additive with every fill up. The Everyday is a cetane booster but more importantly is a fuel system lubricant. Take care of that fuel pump. 166,000 miles now with NO fuel system problems. Also don't get too worried about the def shortage, 1- 2.5 gallon cube lasts me 8000 miles so 6 months. If we can't find a cube of def in a 6 month period we've got bigger problems. I also know nothing about the Powerstroke aftermarket but in the ECO-Diesel world there are Emissions compliant tunes that work wonders and don't void warranties so worth getting on some forums and doing some reading. I actually run an older non compliant tune which leaves all my emission gear in place but shuts off the egr. My oil stays cleaner much longer than in stock form. Enjoy the new rig, she's a beaut.
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67 ski nat
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Beauty. Nice lines for a truck
NOW your gonna need bigger tires and rims, BF Goodrich KO for sure |
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MrMcD
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My son is a tuner for high performance engines both gas and diesel. He just told me this week that he has shut down this side business. Says new laws have the Smog stations checking for tunes in the system and red flags the smog test if you are not factory compliant. With 1,000 pounds of torque I am not sure it needs more power.
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81nautique
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The issue isn't power. Yes the EPA came down hard a couple of years ago but that has created a new market for compliant tunes. Many are now geared towards driveability and reliability issues more than adding power and rolling coal like the old days of tuning. I'm not talking about deleting just tuning with intact emissions, I strongly feel my tune is what keeps my Jeep out of the service department.
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Hey, at least with DEF contamination in your truck, you'll just pull off to the side. A couple of planes out of FL didn't have that option....one had a dual flame-out and successfully landed in SAV. Another had a turn back after having shut one down. Bad juju in my biz!
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Agree. Deleting the EGR function is the most beneficial and simple benefit of a tune. The other thing is that 475 HP, 1000 plus ft.-lb. diesel can get much better mileage with a tune, without sacrificing power or towing ability. If I had a new truck I'd hesitate to tune it due to warranty and especially if I planned to service it at a dealership, which I do with vehicles still within warranty. But I'm fully on board with the benefit of the tunes.
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81nautique
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Yeah the warranty is always a concern. Mine is a bench tune so I actually own 2 separate ECM Modules which I swap if the Jeep ever has to go in for something like a recall. I put the factory ecm in, let them do whatever they need to it and as soon as I get home I swap the tuned one back, every time I do that it amazes me how horribly awful the factory tunes runs.
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67 ski nat
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I’m not a diesel guy. But a good friend put a BANKS ‘peddle monster’ with a ‘derimger’
Appearantly changes that gas pedal response issue w/o a tune ?? He loves it. Unplugs from port when it goes to dealer. Dealer no findy |
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Jonny Quest
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Banks Power makes really good stuff. If I go with a tune, it will likely be a Banks. JQ
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My wife used to have guys yell at her when at the gas station, that she's putting diesel in her '07 Jeep GC CRD . She would tell them that her husband told her to do it, and they would roll their eyes.
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For you diesel newbies, back in the day VW recommended 10% gasoline added if you could not get #1 for winter use. Much like electric cars it was part of being an early adopter. At the time the closest diesel station being 10 miles away much like charging stations are today. Diesels were so rare then that during the last gas shortage,early 80's, I was the only one in the station filling up since gasoline sales were spotty. Someone came in trying to get gas wondering why I was able to buy "gas" and they weren't. The attendant had to explain to them that they had diesel fuel but no gasoline. It had a blistering 48 hp with 58 ft lbs torque but could get 60 mpg on the road,35 was normal around town. Here is my personal best,so far, of my current-
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Jonny Quest
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Gary:
Were you man enough to handle all the torque-steer that came with the Wolfsburg monster? 40.3 MPG is pretty snappy. Back "in the day" I had an Audi 5000 diesel with a 5-speed manual tranny. In the winter, I would add 10% gasoline to the #2 diesel fuel to help mitigate fuel gelling and to improve starting, Well, that Audi was damn cold-blooded and did not want to start using only the starter motor and glow-plugs. So, I came up with a sure-fire (pun intended) trick that I would use to start the German ice cube. I lived way up in the foothills and the road leading to my house had a nice 6% grade. When the weather turned cold, I would park the Audi so that it was pointing downhill. I would turn the key on and put the tranny in neutral. I would coast downhill until the speedo hit 30 MPH. Clutch in. Tranny in 4th gear. Release the clutch pedal. It never failed to start with that method. Yes, it rattled and smoked, but it started and ran. No doubt that it was hard on the engine to start it like that...but what the hell... JQ |
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I had similar experiences myself, several times. I drove an '06 Jeep Liberty CRD, looked like the last thing you should be putting diesel in. Gary, in the early '80's our neighbor commuted around 150 miles a day in a Rabbit diesel pickup. The mileage was jaw dropping, he didn't mind the lack of power at all, and utilized the pickup bed quite a bit as well. Really a pretty amazing vehicle. |
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I love stories like that! Actually not so hard on the engine, more so the clutch I would think. Sounds like a block heater would have helped. The early diesels, Audi and Mercedes and VW, were some of the most bulletproof ones. No emissions, very robust injection systems. They had their issues but worth putting up with for those that liked the diesel experience.
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